COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Marvin]

New York briefing. Much more insightful than the UK presentation.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

This is the assumption because we have studied thousands of viruses, including the most closely related to Covid19, understand how they work, how antibodies work, and can predict that it will work like every other virus.

The WHO has adopted an odd role of throwing out odd, scary information to make people keep taking this seriously, IMO because they're desperately tying to make up for their pathetic initial response which will end up costing hundreds of thousands of lives. They also did this noticeably when they started talking about the virus mutating into a more deadly form - something which is theoretically possible, but every virus we've ever studied has mutated into a weaker strain.

The fact is we have mapped enough viruses to know with a high degree of certainty that you will get a decent period of immunity, and after that a longlasting partial immunity. We can't confirm it until enough time has passed because it's a ten to twenty year process, but we can safely assume it based on everything else we know.

I was of the understanding that the 4 other members of the Coronavirus I.e common cold that we commonly contract ( not SARS and Mers) has proven to date that we so not have immunity in that the antibodies we all have to these viruses do not react to reinfections which is why we continuously get them?

have read many conflicting issues on this and I know it’s a complex area in relation to the protein spikes but there is sufficient evidence out there that immunity is not a given. SARS testing on immunity was never tested to an extensive degree as it had died out before we got to the point of testing vaccines that we working on - vaccine project was therefore abandoned??

 

[sir baconface]

If city dwellers stayed in their fcukin cities this Easter weekend, they wouldn’t spread it so far.

 

[kaz7]

I’m not sure Karen that the majority of the public want to know - at this point - when are we coming out of lockdown. Most peole I chat to are surprised we haven’t had the announcement of an extension to the lockdown.

IMHO once the trend in both deaths and infections is going down, that’s when a lot of people will be asking for the lockdown to end IMHO. Atm it feels like the press are obsessed with the lockdown ending and the public aren’t.

Fair enough,i don't know what else the media can ask them if it not about lockdown or PPE

 

[marco]

I was of the understanding that the 4 other members of the Coronavirus I.e common cold that we commonly contract ( not SARS and Mers) has proven to date that we so not have immunity in that the antibodies we all have to these viruses do not react to reinfections which is why we continuously get them?

have read many conflicting issues on this and I know it’s a complex area in relation to the protein spikes but there is sufficient evidence out there that immunity is not a given. SARS testing on immunity was never tested to an extensive degree as it had died out before we got to the point of testing vaccines that we working on - vaccine project was therefore abandoned??

the common cold virus mutates every season so thats why we do not develope antibodies,if the influenza stayed the same we would not catch it as we would be immune, Covid 19 does not look to be seasonal so may not mutate the same

 

[squirtyflower]

Think you're right but when the sun don't shine.

I always thought you could absorb it in daylight, even if cloudy?

 

[Summerbuzz]

Daily plane spotting update, got a nice view of an RAF A400m returning from the Baltics, presumably loaded with helpful items. Heard it coming before I spotted it carving through the silver sky. Even at several thousand feet altitude and half a dozen miles away, that four prop configuration creates such an impressive drone. Very little road traffic noise around here tonight.

I don't know wether it's corona related, but there are several C17s flying in and out of Cyprus daily. Asides from the UK, destinations have included Qatar, and several African countries.

If city dwellers stayed in their fcukin cities, they wouldn’t spread it so far.

If my neighbours stopped going round each other's houses.... Probably 15 different people in the one house yesterday. Other lot went round to another local house where they got steaming drunk and treated everyone to 5 hours of Cock Sparrer, a band I'd never heard of before and hope to never encounter again.

 

[robbieh]

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I always thought you could absorb it in daylight, even if cloudy?

Think you're right but a bit like solar panels you get a bit less on a cloudy day.

 

[Barcon]

I've been taking vitamin D for over a year after my Dr. told me to. That's coming from someone that lives in a country that actually gets sun during the day.

 

[marco]

I always thought you could absorb it in daylight, even if cloudy?

vitamin D can be absorbed when its cloudy all be it not as much, dont sit in the green house you wont absorb anything, when/ if we have a nuclear winter then we are shafted but thats for another thread one day

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Fair enough,i don't know what else the media can ask them if it not about lockdown or PPE

Thanks Karen. I have not watched the press conference for a few days and I’m just picking up the highlights from here. I think the press conferences are too frequent and holding one on East Sunday is a nonsense.

I think the journalists could be doing more research to inform their questions e.g. on the different types of tests and understanding it’s the tracing of sufferers contacts as well as testing they made a difference in Germany. Some of the journos reminded me (when I watched the pressers) of Lawrenson and Hansen on Match of the day. They spoke with great authority but didn’t always know their stuff eg they hadn’t heard of Hatem Ben Arfa when Newcastle bought the most in demand Under 21 player in Europe, from France.

 

[squirtyflower]

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Think you're right but a bit like solar panels you get a bit less on a cloudy day.

I get that.
I always looked at older people who were very pasty as they spent most of their time indoors.
I spend as much time as I can outdoors.

 

[squirtyflower]

vitamin D can be absorbed when its cloudy all be it not as much, dont sit in the green house you wont absorb anything, when/ if we have a nuclear winter then we are shafted but thats for another thread one day

We haven’t had a greenhouse for nearly thirty years mate.
I try to be outside walking for at least an hour or two a day

 

[Marvin]

I was of the understanding that the 4 other members of the Coronavirus I.e common cold that we commonly contract ( not SARS and Mers) has proven to date that we so not have immunity in that the antibodies we all have to these viruses do not react to reinfections which is why we continuously get them?

have read many conflicting issues on this and I know it’s a complex area in relation to the protein spikes but there is sufficient evidence out there that immunity is not a given. SARS testing on immunity was never tested to an extensive degree as it had died out before we got to the point of testing vaccines that we working on - vaccine project was therefore abandoned??

Antibodies work by binding to specific parts of the virus in the same way that an enzyme binds to a substrate. The viral structure is encoded for by it's RNA. It's RNA mutates but in the case of Covid 19 the RNA molecule is relatively simple and is likely to be subject to single point mutations which are less likely to have an effect on its structure and function than shift mutations seen in complex viral genomes see in Influenza A. It's probabilty. It doesn't mean it wont mutate and our antibodies will become useless but it makes it less likely than in a notorious virus like Influenza A

Google point and shift mutations and RNA segments to find more. Someone posted a link to an explanation a few day ago but I forget who it was.

 

[marco]

I've been taking vitamin D for over a year after my Dr. told me to. That's coming from someone that lives in a country that actually gets sun during the day.

strange what the sun gives us aswell as heat,,there is a little village i think in Austria and at certain time of the year the doctor was full of patients who had depression, this was happening every year in the same months and after a bit of reasearch it was because the sun didnt hit the village from November until late Feb,,what they did was put mirrors on the hillside to reflect the sunlight and eveyone got better

 

[johnnytapia]

I’m not sure Karen that the majority of the public want to know - at this point - when are we coming out of lockdown. Most peole I chat to are surprised we haven’t had the announcement of an extension to the lockdown.

IMHO once the trend in both deaths and infections is going down, that’s when a lot of people will be asking for the lockdown to end IMHO. Atm it feels like the press are obsessed with the lockdown ending and the public aren’t.

Absolutely. Most people I know haven't mentioned end of lockdown once.

 

[Barcon]

strange what the sun gives us aswell as heat,,there is a little village i think in Austria and at certain time of the year the doctor was full of patients who had depression, this was happening every year in the same months and after a bit of reasearch it was because the sun didnt hit the village from November until late Feb,,what they did was put mirrors on the hillside to reflect the sunlight and eveyone got better

The winter Blues is indeed a real thing mate. We have sun here from Nov to Feb but you wouldn't want to be out in it because it's minus 30c.

 

[squirtyflower]

The winter Blues is indeed a real thing mate. We have sun here from Nov to Feb but you wouldn't want to be out in it because it's minus 30c.

Put a fucking t shirt and pair of shorts on you Mary Ellen

 

[Barcon]

Put a fucking t shirt and pair of shorts on you Mary Ellen

At least I don't go shopping in a track suit.

 

[squirtyflower]

At least I don't go shopping in a track suit.

I don’t know anyone who would dream of doing that