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Eds said:
Terrible indeed. Can you or anyone answer me this though. Say I had terminal cancer and was given days to live. I then tested positive for Covid 19. When I pass away am I included in the Covid 19 numbers or not.
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Ultimately, yes, I would presume, but the death would also appear on registers for cancer. It's not really about attributing the death to one thing or the other, but instead about developing a more accurate picture of what is occurring, which would be beneficial to have if we face repeated waves. However, that could also lead to situations where doctors now attend care homes (and that could be doctors sent as emergency cover who have no knowledge of the patient) and include Covid-19 as a factor on the death certificate just to be safe.

Do we know if samples are being taken post-mortem to test later?
 
Care home deaths can not be hidden because deaths are being recorded albeit they are delayed. The ONS records all deaths and the all case mortality will be visible leaping out in the data.
 
Eds said:
Terrible indeed. Can you or anyone answer me this though. Say I had terminal cancer and was given days to live. I then tested positive for Covid 19. When I pass away am I included in the Covid 19 numbers or not.
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I honestly think it depends on the doctor calling it. its going by what is on your death certificate.
 
domalino said:
Spain locked down on March 15th, we locked down March 23rd. So 8 days, not a good fortnight.

We also had the same number of cases at the time of lockdown.
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True although they took many stronger measures around a fortnight before us (school/university closures etc) so I think our peak, even though influenced by other factors, will likely come at least a fortnight after their peak.
 
Eds said:
Terrible indeed. Can you or anyone answer me this though. Say I had terminal cancer and was given days to live. I then tested positive for Covid 19. When I pass away am I included in the Covid 19 numbers or not.
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mate you could jump out of a plane and forget to pack your parachute and test for covid you would still be included in the covid numbers
 
Marvin said:
Care home deaths can not be hidden because deaths are being recorded albeit they are delayed. The ONS records all deaths and the all case mortality will be visible leaping out in the data.
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I've not really followed this, so forgive me if it's a dumb question...

But are we testing everyone who dies in the UK? I didn't think we were? And if we are not, then we cannot possibly record all the COVID-19 deaths can we? I mean "Mrs Jones has been ill for some time and lately developed a bit of a cough and has sadly passed. So we'll put her down as another COVID-19 death" doesn't really cut it.
 
Marvin said:
Care home deaths can not be hidden because deaths are being recorded albeit they are delayed. The ONS records all deaths and the all case mortality will be visible leaping out in the data.
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My bosses mum died in a care home last week. She had dementia and had been in hospital for a while before, she got tested positive a couple of days before and seemingly had gotten over it but then deteriorated rapidly. The day after she died, the doctor called him and asked if he was ok with them putting Covid on the death certificate as they wanted to make sure all are tracked, even if there were other significant factors.

You're right they are delayed though, he's still waiting for the death certificate (which has the impact of not being able to arrange the funeral either).

The sheer volume involved at the minute though, there will be delays in all stages of the process - the numbers ultimately are the least important thing to me. They will get amended eventually.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I've not really followed this, so forgive me if it's a dumb question...

But are we testing everyone who dies in the UK? I didn't think we were? And if we are not, then we cannot possibly record all the COVID-19 deaths can we? I mean "Mrs Jones has been ill for some time and lately developed a bit of a cough and has sadly passed. So we'll put her down as another COVID-19 death" doesn't really cut it.
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If she showed symptoms of the Covid then she's certified as Covid related or words to that effect. That's it. There's no grey area.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
For anyone looking for the data it's here


deaths in care homes (England) increased by about 1200 over the previous week, however only 187 of those were classed as COVID related?

week 13 - 2352
week 14 - 3593

The totals are all there so no hiding data but the attribution to covid does look suspect at first glance.
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Not if you factor in that it's only recently begun to get into care homes. I'd imagine there will be a vast jump in the next few weeks.
 
Fame Monster said:
Would they test you for COVID though if you died in them circumstances? I thought they only test for COVID if the body shows signs of it?
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I think they record it if you showed symptoms before you died . My mates dad died in a care home had everything you can think of dementia , heart condition nearly 90 in the end he was down as a covid death as showed symptoms

if you recall the poor young girl who died early on 13 (?) was said to die of covid even though she had heart failure , on the basis she had a cough before her death ( that may have been overturned though )

The main point is there are many of people being recorded as covid deaths when they had very serious long term conditions and unfortunately this just sadly finishes them off

it’s the underlying health condition category when they report the deaths so it is categorised as such in reality but it still counts in our raw death data
 
I live in Crook, Co Durham, a small x mining town. Took my mother to a hospital appointment today. In the town center there were literally hundreds milling about and sitting on the benches. One of the Barbers was even open. They must think they are all immune. Very worried as just heard on our local news that our post code has the highest rate of infection in the North East. When I came back from the hospital I started filming them to send to the local news when a guy of about 60 told me he would give me a good kicking if i did not stop.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
If she showed symptoms of the Covid then she's certified as Covid related or words to that effect. That's it. There's no grey area.
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So anyone with a cough and/or a temperature, i.e. including anyone with a severe cold or flu gets registered as COVID-19 even if they didn't have it?
 
ColinBellsjockstrap said:
This little girl was self isolating in 1953 at The Queens coronation party, because she had measles.

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That’s what they told her
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Cravendale, mate. Look it up.

That's the milk we have been buying - four pinter lasts seven days once opened or three weeks not.

Kids need their cereal every day and only need to pick up two bottles to ensure all those unnecessary trips you rightly state.
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I do wish people would stop bigging up Cravendale milk, we've used it for years simply because we prefer the taste. Thanks to their new advertising campaign and posts like yours it's becoming increasingly difficult to find :(
 
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