COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[adrianr]

Yes it has, althogh surprised they are using 19 as I thought there were still a fair bit of spare capacity in the the hospitals, don't think there is anyone in any of the other field hospitals either.

I await the headlines in the Mail or some other merry band of dickheads going haywire about how we wasted all this money building something we didn't need.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yes indeed.
I will be heavily used in a couple of weeks though as many patients have to remain on ventilators for well over a month.

The G-Mex is going to be used for patients recovering from Covid who are too unwell to be discharged, so that makes sense if they’re following the same pathway at the Excel

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

The G-Mex is going to be used for patients recovering from Covid who are too unwell to be discharged, so that makes sense if they’re following the same pathway at the Excel

well that’s a good sign and a positive change in strategy as these were all originally built to help with ICU capacity.
Hopefully ....

 

[SilverFox2]

Farming.
At some point very, very soon. The government is going to have to marshal a large army of people to pick veg and fruit as those that normally do it are locked down in the Balkan states.
Spain and France are starting to do this now. In another week, we need to start doing it. Best to prepare for it now.

Here in SE Spain the main industry or sector is agriculture which has simply been exempt from work lockdown. Your tomatoes, lettuce, peppers etc. continue to be harvested with the usual mixture of Spanish, Senegals and other N Africans in the fields.
Hundreds of artics deliver them to the rest of Europe, including UK.

In short this work has never stopped, the gangs now appear in 2 buses instead of 1 (observing proper distancing) and they pick and pack with the same distance observed all wearing masks and each gang has different coloured hi viz..

 

[Brendan110_0]

You list this as a positive. In my opinion 18 year olds having their own place would lead to more social interaction than not. In this country anyway.

The Swedes alcoholic drinks are heavily taxed, so they tend to party once a month - at least that's my experience in Malmo back in the day.

 

[Marvin]

Has the UK media ever asked or confronted Sir Patrick Vallance as to whether the UK has abandoned the herd immunity policy? The journalist briefing questions must be vetted because it's the obvious question given the choices and decisions made.

 

[birch villa]

Has the UK media ever asked or confronted Sir Patrick Vallance as to whether the UK has abandoned the herd immunity policy? The journalist briefing questions must be vetted because it's the obvious question given the choices and decisions made.

Once the lockdown eases without vaccine, to me that says herd immunity is the plan

 

[Brendan110_0]

Farming.
At some point very, very soon. The government is going to have to marshal a large army of people to pick veg and fruit as those that normally do it are locked down in the Balkan states.
Spain and France are starting to do this now. In another week, we need to start doing it. Best to prepare for it now.

They just flew a plane full of Romanians over to pick fruit.

 

[route46]

The Government would have gone for herd immunity if the NHS could have coped.....
Once restrictions are lifted the NHS will have more capacity this time round and the government will allow more to be infected till they call another lockdown.

 

[blueparrot]

Once the lockdown eases without vaccine, to me that says herd immunity is the plan

Not the whole plan but In part doesn’t if have to be for every country that eases lockdown. We know it isn’t just going away so controlled spread is the only option as far as I can see.

 

[Marvin]

Once the lockdown eases without vaccine, to me that says herd immunity is the plan

Zero testing and tracing says so too (all our testing goes towards diagnoses, and front line staff). If you look at what is being done it makes sense if they have an eye on the long term. I think their strategy was valid initially but the evidence from South Korea and the availability of rapid testing should have changed the strategy.

 

[birch villa]

Zero testing and tracing says so too (all our testing goes towards diagnoses, and front line staff). If you look at what is being done it makes sense if they have an eye on the long term. I think their strategy was valid initially but the evidence from South Korea and the availability of rapid testing should have changed the strategy.

Seem to be behind in the testing capacity , hoping this improves quickly this is essential,like you I feel herd immunity is the long term plan at present

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

The Government would have gone for herd immunity if the NHS could have coped.....
Once restrictions are lifted the NHS will have more capacity this time round and the government will allow more to be infected till they call another lockdown.

Agreed flatten the curve just means you squash the spike so the nhs can cope which it seems to be doing a good job of. But when you squash the curve aren’t you just pushing the deaths to the right, so the number of of infections and deaths will come eventually but just be delayed?

I don’t hear much about the 4 stage strategy anymore. I think we are still in the delay phase. Delay being delaying the inevitable transmission in society for a period of time?

 

[jonmcity]

herd immunity without a vaccine is going to kill tens of thousands

 

[Marvin]

The Government would have gone for herd immunity if the NHS could have coped.....
Once restrictions are lifted the NHS will have more capacity this time round and the government will allow more to be infected till they call another lockdown.

They've done well so far if the plan was herd immunity. Shielded the vulnerable and prevented the NHS from being overwhelmed. However, the death rate at this moment is I believe much higher than it would have been tighter social distancing and testing and tracing been implemented. The only way to interrupt the virus transmission is to establish distance around infected people and you do that through social distancing and testing. We've done neither to the maximum.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

herd immunity without a vaccine is going to kill tens of thousands

Telling everyone to stay in their house and close down the entire economy until a vaccine is developed (say 12 to 18 months ) will kill far more.

 

[Marvin]

herd immunity without a vaccine is going to kill tens of thousands

herd immunity without a vaccine is the best solution. It's just a question of how you get it. It is the only solution.

However there will be a vaccine, and then it will be seen to have been the wrong move.

 

[blueparrot]

herd immunity without a vaccine is the best solution. It's just a question of how you get it. It is the only solution.

However there will be a vaccine, and then it will be seen to have been the wrong move.

Thats the point though full lockdown until a vaccine isn’t possible, full herd immunity isn’t possible without too many deaths and nhs overload. A balance between the two until a vaccine is the only choice.

 

[jonmcity]

“For herd immunity to work a large proportion of the population need to be vaccinated.”

Dr Sadarangani is the Sauder Chair in Pediatric Infectious Diseases at the University of British Columbia.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Agreed flatten the curve just means you squash the spike so the nhs can cope which it seems to be doing a good job of. But when you squash the curve aren’t you just pushing the deaths to the right, so the number of of infections and deaths will come eventually but just be delayed?

I don’t hear much about the 4 stage strategy anymore. I think we are still in the delay phase. Delay being delaying the inevitable transmission in society for a period of time?

Personally, I’d guess that we are on the correct path, for the simple reason that until there is a vaccine then COVID is just going to keep on coming in spikes. Consequently the more people subjected to it the better.