COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Indaparkside]

Remove other co-morbidities and BMI is still a big factor. All the data shows fatties are at a much higher risk regardless of other factors. i can use the term fatties because I use to be one.

Now your just an ugly cu nt
I can use that term cos bmr still is

 

[BlueAnorak]

I don't see the logic behind loosening the restrictions (from a health POV rather than an economic one). Surely if people go back the normal, the virus will just start spreading again?

Yes but that is why test and trace is so important. If you can identity those who have it and isolate them then you gradually strangle the epidemic as Taiwan did early on and as South Korea now has done.
They had experience of SARS though and clearly learnt the right lessons. Only Germany and Austria seem to have learnt some of the right lessons from SARS in Europe.
Our health bureaucracy clearly made fucking shit decisions after SARS and continues to make fucking shit decisions.

 

[kaz7]

Kind of depends where you start the line at10, 20, 50 or 100 deaths. The more deaths you chose the lower the UK is compared with Italy.
BTW Italy, like England, has yet to count deaths outside hospitals.

I think our graphs start from ten deaths,we are on top of them and have been for ages,today the global death rates had a new uk line for other settings,which has landed us on top of france

 

[blueinsa]

‘Dr Jenny Harries is then asked why the figure of deaths in the UK is higher than in many other countries.

She says there is a "difficulty understanding the differentiation".

While Germany stands out now, Dr Harries adds: "We need to be very clear and need to look back in 12 or 20 months' time" to get the full picture.

She says the media has focused on counting deaths in the UK but the "most useful statistic" is comparing the number of deaths in the same season in previous years to the death toll during the coronavirus outbreak.

"It is difficult to draw direct comparisons with other countries," she adds. "That is not an excuse but a fact."



I think the above quite an important point, there’s so many different factors at play for each country that simply comparing numbers is pretty basic & potentially misleading.

I have said this numerous times.

It falls on not so much deaf ears, just those who dont like the message as it spoils their narratives.

 

[billfromthehill]

Hasn’t it returned in Korea

 

[BlueHammer85]

England very much IS counting deaths outside of hospital and I’ve no idea why you’d think they aren’t.

I know this is true. But is there a link of some sort including deaths from outside

 

[kaz7]

‘Dr Jenny Harries is then asked why the figure of deaths in the UK is higher than in many other countries.

She says there is a "difficulty understanding the differentiation".

While Germany stands out now, Dr Harries adds: "We need to be very clear and need to look back in 12 or 20 months' time" to get the full picture.

She says the media has focused on counting deaths in the UK but the "most useful statistic" is comparing the number of deaths in the same season in previous years to the death toll during the coronavirus outbreak.

"It is difficult to draw direct comparisons with other countries," she adds. "That is not an excuse but a fact."



I think the above quite an important point, there’s so many different factors at play for each country that simply comparing numbers is pretty basic & potentially misleading.

following trends is not though italy told us unless you change course you will be us in 2-3 weeks time,so far we are

 

[BlueAnorak]

England very much IS counting deaths outside of hospital and I’ve no idea why you’d think they aren’t.

We are, but up to 17 days behind. If you want to remove the lockdown without risking a new wave you have to know these figures pronto and have an effective test and trace strategy.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I think our graphs start from ten deaths,we are on top of them and have been for ages,today the global death rates had a new uk line for other settings,which has landed us on top of france

Anti-government press use 10 deaths. The government uses 50 deaths.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Yes but that is why test and trace is so important. If you can identity those who have it and isolate them then you gradually strangle the epidemic as Taiwan did early on and as South Korea now has done.
They had experience of SARS though and clearly learnt the right lessons. Only Germany and Austria seem to have learnt some of the right lessons from SARS in Europe.

Yeah, I live in Malaysia and someone in my building tested positive. Within a few hours, everyone in the building was told which tower and floor they were on, every date that they'd visited the building's supermarket over the past two weeks, and the supermarket was closed immediately for deep cleaning and wasn't opened again until the following afternoon.

 

[kaz7]

Anti-government press use 10 deaths. The government uses 50 deaths.

Do they,i don't know,i thought i heard we were going from 10

 

[oakiecokie]

Ha ha. Or should say "Get you, you health freak"
Good to hear some good coming out of this for you my friend. Keep it up.

Cheers DBB.

 

[kaz7]

A nice story in amongst the gloom

A man who was given 24 hours to live after contracting coronavirus has left hospital after unexpectedly beating the illness - and the emotional moment he was reunited with his mum has been caught on camera

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ites-with-mum-after-beating-covid-19-11975534

 

[mackenzie]

A nice story in amongst the gloom

A man who was given 24 hours to live after contracting coronavirus has left hospital after unexpectedly beating the illness - and the emotional moment he was reunited with his mum has been caught on camera

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ites-with-mum-after-beating-covid-19-11975534

That's lovely ;-)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Yes but that is why test and trace is so important. If you can identity those who have it and isolate them then you gradually strangle the epidemic as Taiwan did early on and as South Korea now has done.
They had experience of SARS though and clearly learnt the right lessons. Only Germany and Austria seem to have learnt some of the right lessons from SARS in Europe.
Our health bureaucracy clearly made fucking shit decisions after SARS and continues to make fucking shit decisions.

Civil contingencies such as risks from / preparedness for pandemics are coordinated by the Cabinet Office, as their potential impact goes across sectors / the population.

Test, trace and treat is the right approach but the infrastructure has to be in place to support this and we’ve got a situation (in some cases) where health workers suspected of having the virus drive for 2 hours to regional testing centres to take tests.

 

[twosips]

Yeah, I live in Malaysia and someone in my building tested positive. Within a few hours, everyone in the building was told which tower and floor they were on, every date that they'd visited the building's supermarket over the past two weeks, and the supermarket was closed immediately for deep cleaning and wasn't opened again until the following afternoon.

Can you imagine the UK having the organisation and discipline for that? I bloody wish.

 

[sir baconface]

Thinking of tipping my postie,
She’s doing a great job, I get to watch her stroll for 10 mins everyday in her little shorts.
A first class sorting is on my mind.

A little surprise through the letter box perhaps?

 

[Marvin]

Yes but that is why test and trace is so important. If you can identity those who have it and isolate them then you gradually strangle the epidemic as Taiwan did early on and as South Korea now has done.
They had experience of SARS though and clearly learnt the right lessons. Only Germany and Austria seem to have learnt some of the right lessons from SARS in Europe.
Our health bureaucracy clearly made fucking shit decisions after SARS and continues to make fucking shit decisions.

Test and trace is the centre-piece of the USA's exit from lockdown, South Korea etc. It will choke off the virus and is doing in those countries which are executing it, however, I think the UK is reluctant to do it too soon. I think they would like to keep the infection rate relatively high so that immunity is acquired but at the same time they want to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. Once we've got a significant amount on infection in society I think they want to keep the infection ticking a long at a steady rate. That way we are closer to acquiring immunity. I don't agree with this approach but I think it is what they are up to because it explains everything we see them doing, or not doing.

Did you see that the Swedish epidemiologist is claiming that Stockholm maybe close to acquiring immunity? I don't believe that. They have still been social distancing but just not as strongly as other countries.

 

[SWP's back]

Test and trace is the centre-piece of the USA's exit from lockdown, South Korea etc. It will choke off the virus and is doing in those countries which are executing it, however, I think the UK is reluctant to do it too soon. I think they would like to keep the infection rate relatively high so that immunity is acquired but at the same time they want to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. Once we've got a significant amount on infection in society I think they want to keep the infection ticking a long at a steady rate. That way we are closer to acquiring immunity. I don't agree with this approach but I think it is what they are up to because it explains everything we see them doing, or not doing.

Did you see that the Swedish epidemiologist is claiming that Stockholm maybe close to acquiring immunity? I don't believe that. They have still been social distancing but just not as strongly as other countries.

You honestly believe the States has the capability and the will to do that.

 

[Gabriel]

You honestly believe the States has the capability and the will to do that.