COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

If the ONS figures are correct, then peak deaths MAY have been on the 8th April (they only go up to the 10th).
Also on the way down from peak ONS death numbers MAY be lower than the announced Hospital deaths (which in reality cover a period of up to 4 days before hand).

 

[blueparrot]

If the ONS figures are correct, then peak deaths MAY have been on the 8th April (they only go up to the 10th).
Also on the way down from peak ONS death numbers MAY be lower than the announced Hospital deaths (which in reality cover a period of up to 4 days before hand).

@Gelsons Dad figures and graph have the 8 th April as the peak too.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

the who have said there is no CURRENT evidence that wearing a mask helps with this disease , but I have lost a little faith in them.

It seems common sense that it would help but the best argument I heard for why wearing one doesn’t help is that if you do wear a mask it does mean that you will touch your face a lot more often as you adjust and mess about with your mask.

I had to go the MRI on Saturday due to complications with my Crohns. It is split into covid/none covid sections. For none covid issues you are sent to the ACU. Upon my arrival inside, before I had even given any details, I was told to take a mask, put it on and not remove it at all.

The government and the WHO can pontificate all they want. When the people on the front line are telling you to put a mask on and not remove it at all, then that should tell you everything you need to know about the validity of wearing a mask.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

So what is the actual death figure now with ONS figures??

from what I have read it should be about 4,000 more ? Or am I wrong

shocking if true. Smacks of a cover up to try and show we are doing better then we are

 

[Gabriel]

Guardian reporting from Germany:

"In its first coronavirus briefing this week, Germany’s leading public health body, the Robert Koch Institute said that there was evidence that Covid-19 could damage the heart, kidneys and cause blood clotting. Prof Lars Schaade, the RKI’s vice president, said: “We must systematically examine all the evidence, including through autopsies.”

The main aim remained ensuring that the number of cases remained in a “safe zone”, he said. Germany’s reproduction rate is currently 0.9 - up on Friday when it was 0.7 - which means every person contracting the illness is infecting a further person. The number of new cases is currently doubling every 20 days, the number of deaths every 12 days.

According to health authority figures this morning, Germany currently has over 147,000 confirmed cases, and 4,912 people have died from the disease. Germany’s mortality rate from coronavirus is at 3.2 per cent. Schaade said it had risen, as the number of infections and subsequent deaths in care homes and hospitals had increased.

He said test capacity was currently at 730,000 a week in Germany, but should ideally be around one million, with everyone who has a respiratory illness or infection of the airway getting tested. However, he pointed to practical problems with upscaling testing due to a global lack of reagents."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...-oil-price-crash-as-short-term-latest-updates

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I agree. I seriously wonder if they are "bent" in the sense that they are leaned upon by political forces, i.e. their pay masters, to say or to not say certain things.

I am not meaning the UK specifically (or even at all) so this is actually a seperate point, but it is fucking convenient that the UK government faced with a dire shortage of PPE, has decided that there's no benefit in the public wearing PPE, and conveniently they have the idiotic WHO guidelines to back them up.

of course they are. Like most of these global overarching bodies they are political corrupt and leaned on by influential (ie rich) countries or companies .

uefa, Fifa,WHO, global doping agencies, olympics. All bent and corrupt.

CAS will be the same unfortunately.

edit, and don’t get me going on boxing !!!!!

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

The difference between the yellow line and the red line indicates that it takes on average 5 days to register a death. Holy shit who'd have thought that was remotely possible.

When a loved one dies, registering the death isn't at the top of your list of to do things.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I had to go the MRI on Saturday due to complications with my Crohns. It is split into covid/none covid sections. For none covid issues you are sent to the ACU. Upon my arrival inside, before I had even given any details, I was told to take a mask, put it on and not remove it at all.

The government and the WHO can pontificate all they want. When the people on the front line are telling you to put a mask on and not remove it at all, then that should tell you everything you need to know about the validity of wearing a mask.

that was to protect front line staff from you, who could be infected and introduce the virus to the hospital ACU.
Far more important than wearing a mask round Morrison’s.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

When a loved one dies, registering the death isn't at the top of your list of to do things.

having registered the deaths of two parents an aunt I was responsible for and my mother in law it is actually one the first priorities.

 

[lancs blue]

So what is the actual death figure now with ONS figures??

from what I have read it should be about 4,000 more ? Or am I wrong

For the UK as a whole the covid-19 hospital deaths based on the daily reports to 10th April totalled 9875. The ONS data for the UK to that date totals 11454 for covid-19 deaths, a difference of 1579. There will no doubt be a further difference for the week ending 17th April so the true figure for the UK to date is probably in the region of 19 to 20000.

 

[marco]

having registered the deaths of two parents an aunt I was responsible for and my mother in law it is actually one the first priorities.

yes its the first job

 

[BlueAnorak]

When a loved one dies, registering the death isn't at the top of your list of to do things.

I wasn't being flippant, well I guess I was, but I certainly didn't intend to do that down. Its tragic and I had to register the death of my wife in the 2nd week of January so I know how horrible it is.
My point was that that graph mearly shows the standard delay between a death occurring and it being registered.
So a complete and utter waste of time.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

that was to protect front line staff from you, who could be infected and introduce the virus to the hospital ACU.
Far more important than wearing a mask round Morrison’s.

Yes I understand that, but the principal remains the same. The government and WHO are suggesting there is no scientific evidence to suggest the wearing of masks will protect anyone. That is clearly a load of absolute nonesense.

 

[BlueAnorak]

that was to protect front line staff from you, who could be infected and introduce the virus to the hospital ACU.
Far more important than wearing a mask round Morrison’s.

Yes but if we all wore a cloth covering over our mouth and nose, everybody would get some protection because their wouldn't be very much aerosol particles in the air to breath in or indeed splater on surfaces that we could pick up on our hands.
No masks consumed. Reduced spread. Everybody wins. Not if you're in SAGE though, where common sense doesn't exist.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

For the UK as a whole the covid-19 hospital deaths based on the daily reports to 10th April totalled 9875. The ONS data for the UK to that date totals 11454 for covid-19 deaths, a difference of 1579. There will no doubt be a further difference for the week ending 17th April so the true figure for the UK to date is probably in the region of 19 to 20000.

I don’t want to go down this again but it’s an interesting stat from the ONS data

deaths from flu and pneumonia over the period circa 32,500

Deaths from Covid just over 10,000.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I wasn't being flippant or doing that down. Its tragic and I had to register the death of my wife in the 2nd week of January so I know how horrible it is.
My point was that that graph mearly shows the standard delay between a death occurring and it being registered.
So a complete and utter waste of time.

Agreed

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

having registered the deaths of two parents an aunt I was responsible for and my mother in law it is actually one the first priorities.

I beg to differ having done it for both of my parents.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

For the UK as a whole the covid-19 hospital deaths based on the daily reports to 10th April totalled 9875. The ONS data for the UK to that date totals 11454 for covid-19 deaths, a difference of 1579. There will no doubt be a further difference for the week ending 17th April so the true figure for the UK to date is probably in the region of 19 to 20000.

Dam, that’s grim. I think the head of health?? Said we’d be lucky if we had 20,000 deaths

 

[BlueAnorak]

OK here we go, brief ballpark takeaways from the ONS stats, and ignoring time variations:
1. An additional 19.19% of COVID-19 specific deaths have occured outside hospital to 10th April.
2. An additional number of non COVID-19 deaths are occurring WRT to average deaths. This equates to roughly 21.57% of COVID-19 hospital deaths reported to 10th April.
3. Add 1 and 2 together and you get the 40% total that is being reported in the media.
4. Peak deaths may have occurred on the 8th of April as deaths were lower on the 9th and 10th of April
5. Apply these percentages to all UK excess above average deaths and you would have the following UK totals as of yesterday, the 20th April.
UK COVID-19 hospital deaths = 16,509
UK COVID-19 non-hospital deaths = 3,168
Total UK COVID-19 deaths = 19, 677
Other UK deaths resulting from pandemic = 3,561
Total pandemic related UK deaths = 23,238

All these figures will change next Tuesday.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

I beg to differ having done it for both of my parents.

That's what I thought. When my mother pegged out last year I went and registered it that day.