COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Gaylord du Bois]

 

[Saddleworth2]

Easy tiger yourself - Sorry - you don't get to tell me how to spend my personal time.

Due to the politicking I lost interest in engaging with the threads and found my self busy for 3 weeks enjoying the weather and not much interested in sitting indoors on a laptop. No coincidence that getting engaged again occurred when the rain arrived.​

You asked me to post rather than PM you - and I just have started a process of explanation as you requested - so why are you moaning?

And frankly, pointing out where accountabilities and responsibilities reside should have been a straight-forward matter for people to determine - but a lot on here have little interest other than to gratuitously use the disaster for the purpose of political point-scoring

Anyway - that is mainly for the other thread - to help:

Who is responsible for NHS procurement?
Responsibility for procurement is split between several organisations:

• DHSC is ultimately responsible for setting the budget and top-line objectives of the NHS but keeps out of its day-to-day operations. In relation to pandemics it determines what is included in the national pandemic stockpile.[8]
• NHS England, which is legally independent of DHSC, oversees the commissioning of NHS services and sets strategy.
• Public Health England, an executive agency of DHSC, is responsible for dealing with public health emergencies. It issues guidance on who should wear PPE, jointly with DSHC and other bodies, and maintains the national pandemic stockpile.

https://nhsprocurement.org.uk/nhs-procurement/

Also, as the responsibility for the commissioning of care homes and the setting of standards has become a hot topic - I suggest that people google the role of the Clinical Commissioning Groups and the Care Quality Commission

So where do the responsibilities for the preparation,maintenance and governance of the UK Pandemic plan lie?

 

[Chippy_boy]

@Chippy_boy I hope you didn't sell the Gilead shares you bought when the "fake" Chinese trial results came out.
The US trials are showing a clear positive clinical impact for remdesivir. Not a magic bullet but a great help.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52478783

The 2nd piece of Good news today (after the approval of the antibody test).

You're mixing me up with @SWP's back perhaps? I didn't buy any.

 

[Chippy_boy]

what about people who are no longer infected?

Yes we need the count them as well. (Assuming they are no longer at risk of dying from it. Which is not s given, but fairly likely).

 

[SWP's back]

@Chippy_boy I hope you didn't sell the Gilead shares you bought when the "fake" Chinese trial results came out.
The US trials are showing a clear positive clinical impact for remdesivir. Not a magic bullet but a great help.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52478783

The 2nd piece of Good news today (after the approval of the antibody test).

No I've still got them, I'd read the trials were stopped due to lack of poorly people.

Gilead were up nearly 6% on the day yesterday. Gilead's at $83.14 and I bought at $76.54 with a 2x leverage. Futures market suggesting they'll open up at $85.04 today.

Exciting times. Still expect to lose a ton in the end.

 

[blueinsa]

I saw an Australian tv interview with a Swedish scientist and I have to say he is right, unfortunately we are just going to have to accept the deaths, 90-95% will get this without symptoms or very mild and recover, of the others then yes they will suffer and unfortunately a few will die. The thing is without a cure or whatever the world is just going to have to get on with it, we cannot go into lockdown forever. My elderly parents are not going to stay locked up for years, my daughter can’t home school for years, it’s not going to happen.
We will just have to change the way we shop, socialise and generally move around outside, it will slowly become the norm.

I fear you are right.

You cant cure every virus or disease and sadly, people will die.

The sudden demand for politicians to be able to is fanciful and based on nothing!

Only science will do it and science is telling us we are years away at best if ever.

 

[blueinsa]

So where do the responsibilities for the preparation,maintenance and governance of the UK Pandemic plan lie?

Given devolution id say plenty with individual parliaments mate.

Right now i see no different a picture here in Scotland than i do elsewhere in the UK.

The SNP are in charge of our NHS and our Care Homes and our PPE and the exact same issues and numbers passing away as a percentage of population is sadly happening.

The buck cant be put at Westminster's feet every time its bad.

 

[Chippy_boy]

i would love to get to tenerife in november but quite honestly cant see it, distance alone is going to have a massive impact with planes, Ryanir have said if they have to leave middle seats empty they will not operate so due to that fact alone if they did get started the costs would hit the roof because of the Ryanair competition not existing,November 21 is more realistic

On a related note, the suggestion of leaving the middle seat empty, is a joke anyway isn't it. What about the bloke in the seat behind you coughing away? They are far closer than 2m.

To be even vaguely sensible they would need to keep every 2nd row free:

Person - Empty - Person
Empty - Empty - Empty
Person - Empty - Person
Empty - Empty - Empty

Etc

I.e. flying at 33% occupancy. I can't see that ever being profitable nor operated by any airline.

 

[shemnel]

On a related note, the suggestion of leaving the middle seat empty, is a joke anyway isn't it. What about the bloke in the seat behind you coughing away? They are far closer than 2m.

To be even vaguely sensible they would need to keep every 2nd row free:

Person - Empty - Person
Empty - Empty - Empty
Person - Empty - Person
Empty - Empty - Empty

Etc

I.e. flying at 16% occupancy. I can't see that ever being profitable nor operated by any airline.

i think RyanAir said they'd do it if the government paid for every empty seat

 

[ganganvince]

On a related note, the suggestion of leaving the middle seat empty, is a joke anyway isn't it. What about the bloke in the seat behind you coughing away? They are far closer than 2m.

To be even vaguely sensible they would need to keep every 2nd row free:

Person - Empty - Person
Empty - Empty - Empty
Person - Empty - Person
Empty - Empty - Empty

Etc

I.e. flying at 16% occupancy. I can't see that ever being profitable nor operated by any airline.

Airlines will probably struggle till reliable vaccines and antibody tests are available with passengers requiring a certificate.