COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[yerwot?]

Herd immunity is NOT a big mistake, it is the end goal. How you get there without crashing the economy is the big issue. A vaccine would be great but that isnt going to happen quickly.

herd immunity. How you get it without half the population dead is the big issue.
Still not proved that those who have had it ARE immune

 

[kaz7]

Time will tell, unless we get somewhere near herd immunity we are locked down until a vaccine is available which can't happen. I don't understand how people think that when we come out of lockdown, whether it's this week or 6 weeks that the to number of infections won't just go back up.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

Interesting counter view there which would suggest an enquiry will be needed as to why America didn't follow herd immunity.

We don't know at the moment but for sure questions will be asked one way or another.

The vulnerable and old were sacrificed for herd immunity when everyone else went the other way,we went on with mass gatherings for far to long,the WHO wanted it shutdown and contained and contact traced,we were reckless and a lot of people died because of it,as for the link,don't make me laugh

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

Time will tell, unless we get somewhere near herd immunity we are locked down until a vaccine is available which can't happen. I don't understand how people think that when we come out of lockdown, whether it's this week or 6 weeks that the to number of infections won't just go back up.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

Interesting counter view there which would suggest an enquiry will be needed as to why America didn't follow herd immunity.

We don't know at the moment but for sure questions will be asked one way or another.

What a dreadful article and what a dreadful newspaper. They are anti science. They reject climate change and ozone depletion.

Contrarian for the sake of it

 

[True_Blue69]

The vulnerable and old were sacrificed for herd immunity when everyone else went the other way,we went on with mass gatherings for far to long,the WHO wanted it shutdown and contained and contact traced,we were reckless and a lot of people died because of it,as for the link,don't make me laugh

Why lock the young and healthy down?

 

[kaz7]

Why lock the young and healthy down?

You lock down the vulnerable straight away is the point and the young and healthy have still died you know,also they are spreading it without knowing they have it

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You lock down the vulnerable straight away is the point and the young and healthy have still died you know,also they are spreading it without knowing they have it

but not to the old and vulnerable if they are shielded?

btw there are many elderly who don’t want shielding and want to carry on as normal. How do we solve that.

 

[kaz7]

but not to the old and vulnerable if they are shielded?

They weren't shielded,mass gatherings were fine with all the oldies going to games and the races etc,ill themselves and vulnerable partners or family at home,football shutting down forced the gov hands and they had to stop gatherings,even then boris gave everyone a last night for a piss up,reckless,ignored what the world experts and Italy were begging us to do,stupid.

 

[PragueBlue]

NHS england 204

Wales 14

Scotland 5

Considering we were at 800+ not that long ago ago, it's a big improvement.

 

[True_Blue69]

You lock down the vulnerable straight away is the point and the young and healthy have still died you know,also they are spreading it without knowing they have it

Yes they have but very few. Young and healthy are dying as a result of lockdown. We are seeing more suicides daily and we are just at the start.

They are spreading it but if it's to other young and healthy people, then the consequences are nowhere near as bad and we get nearer to herd immunity, which unfortunately is the only way I can see it of this.

Neither are ideal and lives are going to be lost whichever option we go with and I don't say that lightly.

 

[lancs blue]

What a dreadful article and what a dreadful newspaper. They are anti science. They reject climate change and ozone depletion.

Contrarian for the sake of it

A very slanted and one-eyed article that seems more concerned with making points about the constitution than with people's wellbeing.

 

[shemnel]

Sorry mate - i am being so thick with this. I look at it every day but cant work it out - can you please explain.

in the table, the bottom row represents the latest daily update of deaths with backdated stats - meaning the bottom row is the latest daily death stats up to date (as each daily release has a number of death certificates from all sorts of dates in the past)

the graph is a representation of each row of the table, the furthest right line being the bottom row

 

[True_Blue69]

A tiny percentage of young and/or healthy have died. Much fewer than a typical Flu causes in those groups.

Which is why locking everyone down will be proven to have been the wrong thing to do in the long run in my opinion.

 

[kaz7]

A tiny percentage of young and/or healthy have died. Much fewer than a typical Flu causes in those groups.

That will be a comfort to the 200 front line workers who have died,lots of them young and the few kids that have died

 

[twosips]

Which is why locking everyone down will be proven to have been the wrong thing to do in the long run in my opinion.

Who would you have locked down then?

 

[kaz7]

Yes they have but very few. Young and healthy are dying as a result of lockdown. We are seeing more suicides daily and we are just at the start.

They are spreading it but if it's to other young and healthy people, then the consequences are nowhere near as bad and we get nearer to herd immunity, which unfortunately is the only way I can see it of this.

Neither are ideal and lives are going to be lost whichever option we go with and I don't say that lightly.

You have had your head in the sand from the start,you should pay attention to the stories of the young people dying and front line workers who are nowhere near being old and vulnerable,please don't quote me again

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You have had your head in the sand from the start,you should pay attention to the stories of the young people dying and front line workers who are nowhere near being old and vulnerable,please don't quote me again

Karen people were always going to die. Look at the start of the thread. It would be more shocking if people had not died don’t you think?

this virus we know people are going to die . The question we should be asking as why have the 3 countries with the tightest lockdowns is Europe got the worst death rates , Italy Spain and the uk .

 

[Fame Monster]

No it wouldn't. Maybe 5% interesting and 95% what we all ready know and knew.

Speak for yourself.

I'd be interested to hear how much of our response is due to the Government and how much of it is due to the advice given by the committee members.

 

[grunge]

A tiny percentage of young and/or healthy have died. Much fewer than a typical Flu causes in those groups.

One question that will be answered in time with this though is how much long term damage has been caused, For example, a younger person get its quite bad but survives, has pneumonia and the like, How much long term damage to that individual has been caused? I know that Pneumonia its self causes a lot of damage to the lungs.

Will the breathing difficulties that happen ( even if pneumonia doesn't) cause any long term COPD ramifications.

 

[True_Blue69]

Who would you have locked down then?

The vulnerable and those at high risk, thought that was pretty obvious when I said why lock down the young and healthy.

 

[kaz7]

Karen people were always going to die. Look at the start of the thread. It would be more shocking if people had not died don’t you think?

this virus we know people are going to die . The question we should be asking as why have the 3 countries with the tightest lockdowns is Europe got the worst death rates , Italy Spain and the uk .

Of course people were going to die,our lockdown was way too far down the road,letting mass gatherings going on until they were forced out of by football,mass exposure to get herd immunity did not protect anyone,i can't get my head around anyone thinking that was the right thing to do against the advice of the experts,italy were begging us to change course,they were saying you have time,don't end up like us ,health workers completely overun, I guess this is for the other thread though,we have some hindsight,we did not know it at the start