The perfect fumble
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Keir Starmer
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Come back when you've got something to say.
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People can read the article for themselves bud, political commentary on the subject has been in the forefront of politics for a considerable time. Restating my opinion that Labour have a problem isn't so much conjecture as fact, do you deny that Labour have an issue that needs fixing?
@mat the country weren't given an option the reason why the Tories are in right now is because the Labour party went too left and people didn't want that, as well as having a wishy washy cobbled together solution for the Brexit issue.
This election was about Blue Passports. Labour didn't have a strong enough message thanks to Starmer et al muddying the waters from the 2017 position of accepting the result.
But that's another thread.
Personally I think I'm about to become a political nomad again. Starmer is going for policies of appeasement and we know how well they work.
???? What - they secured Labour as the government for many years?This election was about Blue Passports. Labour didn't have a strong enough message thanks to Starmer et al muddying the waters....
Personally I think I'm about to become a political nomad again. Starmer is going for policies of appeasement and we know how well they work.
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The fact is, Labour are now run by people that were glad Labour lost so badly at the GE.
Not thought of it like that.....The fact is, Labour are now run by people that were glad Labour lost so badly at the GE.
Sounds like a form of 'reverse purging' going on??
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To an impartial expat, they appear to be in as bad a mess as in the Foot/Kinnock era. Barring any unforeseen Conservative own goals of "massive" (sniff!) proportions, Labour won't be in power for a long time.
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Who knows, but it's certainly a strange way to go on. Ever since corbyn was elected by the membership the PLP worked to unseat him - remember that funny little welsh bloke they threw up against him. It seems now that by a colossal act of self-harm (or necessary surgery if that's your view) the PLP have finally overcome the membership and restored Labour to a party that might win power. Essentially reshaping the party into something tories and centrists feel happy voting for rather than just the left wing.Not thought of it like that.....
Sounds like a form of 'reverse purging' going on??
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Who knows, but it's certainly a strange way to go on. Ever since corbyn was elected by the membership the PLP worked to unseat him - remember that funny little welsh bloke they threw up against him. It seems now that by a colossal act of self-harm (or necessary surgery if that's your view) the PLP have finally overcome the membership and restored Labour to a party that might win power. Essentially reshaping the party into something tories and centrists feel happy voting for rather than just the left wing.
Couldn't have put it any better myself.
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Why should I give my head a wobble, my point still stands. Until Labour cut out the cancer that's eating it, the party will be on the back burner for a considerable time.
Yeah.
I assume you are on about the Progress think tank?
Labour is built in and relies on it's members and affiliates for most of it's funding and campaigning, at present starmer is seeing a possible decline in this with his first months actions.
Labour was a party leaking followers by 2010 and without balance will start to again into an unsubstainable situation
???? What - they secured Labour as the government for many years?
That was 20 years ago though. Ed Miliband tried it and lost. People who think moving to the centre ground is some kind of magic bullet are in for a shock I think. Not only that, I think a lot of Corbyn's policies were nowhere near as radical or hard left as they were portrayed anyway.
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That was 20 years ago though. Ed Miliband tried it and lost. People who think moving to the centre ground is some kind of magic bullet are in for a shock I think. Not only that, I think a lot of Corbyn's policies were nowhere near as radical or hard left as they were portrayed anyway.
People forget he's a Social Democrat. His policies are considered normal in Scandinavia. And they seem to have decent living standards because of it.
He was brought down by duplicitous MP's and staffers, along with a compliant media supporting them. The membership were behind Corbyn 100%. You only need to look in the change of tone they've have towards Sir Keir to see it. The internal report that has been leaked and the lack of coverage towards it proves it.
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People forget he's a Social Democrat. His policies are considered normal in Scandinavia. And they seem to have decent living standards because of it.
He was brought down by duplicitous MP's and staffers, along with a compliant media supporting them. The membership were behind Corbyn 100%. You only need to look in the change of tone they've have towards Sir Keir to see it. The internal report that has been leaked and the lack of coverage towards it proves it.
Dont forget the electorate that didn't want to know.
Point fingers as much as you like, he was unelectable it is that simple.
I'm not so sure that's the guy's plan. He's from a legal background and it looks to me like he's building a case to skewer the gov with. You don't do this by kicking off, you do it in a methodical steady manner, bit by bit and let them hang themselves. Time will tell if I'm right.This election was about Blue Passports. Labour didn't have a strong enough message thanks to Starmer et al muddying the waters from the 2017 position of accepting the result.
But that's another thread.
Personally I think I'm about to become a political nomad again. Starmer is going for policies of appeasement and we know how well they work.
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As someone who has volunteered with an MP and talked to members, this isn't entirely true.The membership were behind Corbyn 100%.
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I'm not so sure that's the guy's plan. He's from a legal background and it looks to me like he's building a case to skewer the gov with. You don't do this by kicking off, you do it in a methodical steady manner, bit by bit and let them hang themselves. Time will tell if I'm right.
I would like that to happen but I get the impression he'd rather collaborate so when the shit it the fan it's a joint effort of fuckwittery.
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Apologies. I should have edited that properly and said a majority of members.As someone who has volunteered with an MP and talked to members, this isn't entirely true.
The perfect fumble
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Yeah.
I assume you are on about the Progress think tank?
Labour is built in and relies on it's members and affiliates for most of it's funding and campaigning, at present starmer is seeing a possible decline in this with his first months actions.
Labour was a party leaking followers by 2010 and without balance will start to again into an unsubstainable situation
The party will shrink, in fact I know it's shrinking, though I've no idea by how much, it will effect funding but not as much as you might think.
Legal action and the threat of legal action are the real threat to the financial viability of the party.
As a mass membership party Labour is finished.
Jennie Formby resigns as Labour party general secretary...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mby-resigns-as-labour-party-general-secretary
Close ally of Jeremy Corbyn steps down, signalling major shift of direction for party
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The party will shrink, in fact I know it's shrinking, though I've no idea by how much, it will effect funding but not as much as you might think.
Legal action and the threat of legal action are the real threat to the financial viability of the party.
As a mass membership party Labour is finished.
Jennie Formby resigns as Labour party general secretary...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mby-resigns-as-labour-party-general-secretary
Close ally of Jeremy Corbyn steps down, signalling major shift of direction for party
I'll give it 6 months and the main policy being rejoin the EU over stoping austerity 2.0 to boil my piss.
The perfect fumble
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I'll give it 6 months and the main policy being rejoin the EU over stoping austerity 2.0 to boil my piss.
I wouldn't bet on it.
That ship has sailed.