The vulnerable and those at high risk, thought that was pretty obvious when I said why lock down the young and healthy.
I know they are your Angels Karen but they are no more special than any other group. I wonder how many women were given a good hiding last night from their abusive partner who is sick of being told to stay at home and sick of being asked why they can't afford x,y,z? I wonder how many people, have considered or attempted suicide due to the financial pressure they are now under? I wonder how many cancer patients have had years knocked off their lives due to lack of treatment?
I could go on.
200 is a lot or an insignificant number depending on your perspective. It's about 0.5% of the total excess mortality so far.
It's a question for the future certainly. However I fail to see it's relevance to the current discussion unless you know of a special way to prevent anyone from being infected. If you do please speak up!
Well I see people,you see numbersI know they are your Angels Karen but they are no more special than any other group. I wonder how many women were given a good hiding last night from their abusive partner who is sick of being told to stay at home and sick of being asked why they can't afford x,y,z? I wonder how many people, have considered or attempted suicide due to the financial pressure they are now under? I wonder how many cancer patients have had years knocked off their lives due to lack of treatment?
I could go on.
200 is a lot or an insignificant number depending on your perspective. It's about 0.5% of the total excess mortality so far.
You have had your head in the sand from the start,you should pay attention to the stories of the young people dying and front line workers who are nowhere near being old and vulnerable,please don't quote me again
The would be ideal but the problem is when the young and healthy live with the old and high risk people, which I am sure many do.
My mother and I would be classed as at high risk. My wife and 3 kids would be classed as young and healthy.
No. you are right. Bloody shame. My mum is locked down in a dementia care home so its cross fingers that she stays safe.Depending on the age of the resident's they may not be suitable for ventilation anyway. Many covid patients don't get ventilation because they are too frail for the invasive procedure. This wasn't taken into account when the mass ventilator hysteria was in full flow a month ago. Turns out really old people can't survive ventilation and many doctors knew this. It just didn't make the news.
Which is why locking everyone down will be proven to have been the wrong thing to do in the long run in my opinion.
I think that is fair.You don't need an enquiry. It's the same answer as the UK. The models at the time gave extremely high death rates.
There's no one size fits all solution either way is there. Which is why a combination of lockdown and business as usual with social distancing etc would have been better in my opinion. There is no benefit in me being locked in my house for 23 hours a day. My Mum is high risk, I just wouldn't be able to visit her the same way I'm not now.
Thanks for the patronising shitKaren, let's do some very easy maths together ok?
Im going to use the term mean.
1) What is the mean time between infection and symptoms?
2) What is the mean time between symptoms and death?
answer 1) 5 days
answer 2) 18 days
add them together = 23 days.
So from catching it to dying takes on average 23 days.
3) When did the most people in English hospitals die from covid (the peak)?
answer 3) 8th April.
4) when did they catch it?
answer 4) 23 days before the 8th April which is 16th of March
Here comes the big one!
When did the UK go into "lockdown"?
I'll let you answer that yourself and see if you can draw any conclusions.
Karen, let's do some very easy maths together ok?
Im going to use the term mean.
1) What is the mean time between infection and symptoms?
2) What is the mean time between symptoms and death?
answer 1) 5 days
answer 2) 18 days
add them together = 23 days.
So from catching it to dying takes on average 23 days.
3) When did the most people in English hospitals die from covid (the peak)?
answer 3) 8th April.
4) when did they catch it?
answer 4) 23 days before the 8th April which is 16th of March
Here comes the big one!
When did the UK go into "lockdown"?
I'll let you answer that yourself and see if you can draw any conclusions.
Karen people were always going to die. Look at the start of the thread. It would be more shocking if people had not died don’t you think?
this virus we know people are going to die . The question we should be asking as why have the 3 countries with the tightest lockdowns is Europe got the worst death rates , Italy Spain and the uk .
It was a week before the sentence being used and then lock down.Herd immunity was the big mistake we made,everything else followed,there needs to be a investigation as to why we thought we knew better than everyone else
Have you seen the fact that the U.K. has experienced twice as many deaths as it normally would average so far this year. That’s some fucking hoax that.Time will tell, unless we get somewhere near herd immunity we are locked down until a vaccine is available which can't happen. I don't understand how people think that when we come out of lockdown, whether it's this week or 6 weeks that the to number of infections won't just go back up.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/
Interesting counter view there which would suggest an enquiry will be needed as to why America didn't follow herd immunity.
We don't know at the moment but for sure questions will be asked one way or another.
Now that’s a link I want to read.Much fewer than a typical Flu causes in those groups.
The reason is simple. Those three countries all implemented lockdown way after the horse had bolted.
Spain locked down when there were over 5k cases. UK nearly 4k. Both countries had well over 100 deaths by this stage.
Let's look at Greece.
On the 27th of Feb when they had 1 confirmed case they cancelled carnival season. They closed schools on the 10th March when cases had reached 89, still no deaths mind you. 3 days later, the day Spain locked down, Greece closed bars and restaurants, 190 cases and 1 death.
Locking down early was the key for Greece having such low numbers. They took preventative action, like New Zealand, the UAE and others.
The three countries at the top of the European table took their time and then thought fuck.
Research from South Korea indicates that reinfections were actually due to false positive tests:herd immunity. How you get it without half the population dead is the big issue.
Still not proved that those who have had it ARE immune
The reason is simple. Those three countries all implemented lockdown way after the horse had bolted.
Spain locked down when there were over 5k cases. UK nearly 4k. Both countries had well over 100 deaths by this stage.
Let's look at Greece.
On the 27th of Feb when they had 1 confirmed case they cancelled carnival season. They closed schools on the 10th March when cases had reached 89, still no deaths mind you. 3 days later, the day Spain locked down, Greece closed bars and restaurants, 190 cases and 1 death.
Locking down early was the key for Greece having such low numbers. They took preventative action, like New Zealand, the UAE and others.
The three countries at the top of the European table took their time and then thought fuck.
This,we assumed immunity,nearly four months on an nobody will confirm immunity still and this virus is throwing up surprises everydayI am afraid that in the fullness of time it will become very clear that Spain, Italy, Us, and the Yanks made an absolute fucking mess of it early doors. Italy being perhaps the only one with much of an excuse to not have ordered a lock down a bloody sight quicker than they did.
Any consideration of herd immunity would have and still is insanity until it has actually been established what level of immunity having been infected actually gives you.