COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Gaylord du Bois]

There's more about it here.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920301643?via=ihub#

 

[SWP's back]

Apologies mate, I wasn’t clear; I meant deaths not cases.
Having said that, I was still wrong - just checked the JHU dashboard and were are still behind Italy for deaths (just), but ahead of Spain now.

We’re behind both, and Belgium plus a few others on deaths per million population though.

 

[chesterbells]

We’re behind both, and Belgium plus a few others on deaths per million population though.

Yeah, a fairer measure that.

 

[route46]

I understand people want to have had it around christmas, cos that'd be great! It'd mean more would have had it... but I've still not seen any viable explanation why loads of people weren't dying around christmas then too? Why are the death tallies only what they are now? There's gonna have to be some undeniable evidence for many to take it seriously that it was around in the UK then, other than anecdotes about how everyone felt shite around flu season.

Would the virus be noticeable early on or would it be put down to the Flu season?

How do you test for something u don't know exists?

 

[Marvin]

Sir Patrick vallance been speaking to a select committee. Subtext is a 2nd peak and UK is working to mitigate against that.

I closed my FTSE deal for small profit but had to double-up on a dip to do it which was nerve-wracking as I had a large position which was under-water for a while. Going long after the market opened up 90 points was a big call. This is an easy market to trade at the moment but I am very wary of going short now. Don't want to get caught out by Covid news which could massively move the market. You could go short and then get stranded which I don't intend doing.

 

[twosips]

Would the virus be noticeable early on or would it be put down to the Flu season?

How do you test for something u don't know exists?

Regardless of that, there would be excess deaths in the way there is now. There simply wasn't. That's the bit that goes against this idea. Unless there's an explanation for why it wasn't killing people then, but decided to start doing it now, then it doesn't add up.

 

[grunge]

Would the virus be noticeable early on or would it be put down to the Flu season?

How do you test for something u don't know exists?

Once the deaths started spiking above the averages then tests for other pathogens would have kicked in I assume.

but we had less deaths in the 1st 10 weeks of the year than the averages. not more. the spike in deaths started in last week in March.

See graphs of the ONS data.
https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/covid-19-—-coronavirus.344314/page-3832#post-12635839

If we saw a spike like that unexpectedly there is no way they wound't have been testing the hell out of things to work out what killed them.

 

[SilverFox2]

This is the thing I don't understand. Are the immunisuppressents just for kmlatter stage Covid? I am in the most vunerable category because I am using 40mg of Prednisolone. Ored is a steroid that suppresses my immune system in the hope it will stop it attacking my digestive tract.

Do you need a healthy immune system from the off, so it can fight it off, in the hope it does not go mad? Then if it develops too much, they dampen the immune system with suppressents?

Well my daughter who has rare form of arthritis was taking a drug which she self injects daily when she contracted CV. She had all the symptoms. except breathing problems so was treated ftom hospital to her home via 2 hourly apart telephone calls. She recovered without the need to be ventilated.
I understand her drug was normally a cancer drug and was stopped during her illness. Her joints did not give her problems during CV attack so possibly it sufficient in her system to help with CV immune system problem.?

 

[Claytop]

Something we’re good at..



A lot of interesting tweets from him about the data released today.

 

[sir baconface]

Could be fun, not everybody in.my contacts has thier real name.

Is chaddertonslut69 not an actual name then?

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Is chaddertonslut69 not an actual name then?

No, shes called Tricia in real life.

 

[route46]

Regardless of that, there would be excess deaths in the way there is now. There simply wasn't. That's the bit that goes against this idea. Unless there's an explanation for why it wasn't killing people then, but decided to start doing it now, then it doesn't add up.

Does Viral load make a difference to Death rate?

More of the population infected higher the Viral load people are getting causing higher death rate

 

[Chippy_boy]

There's more about it here.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920301643?via=ihub#

It's complete bollocks.

An isolated case? Well maybe possibly. "Already spreading"??? No chance. Where was the peak in France in January? Or February for that matter?

It's crap basically.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Well my daughter who has rare form of arthritis was taking a drug which she self injects daily when she contracted CV. She had all the symptoms. except breathing problems so was treated ftom hospital to her home via 2 hourly apart telephone calls. She recovered without the need to be ventilated.
I understand her drug was normally a cancer drug and was stopped during her illness. Her joints did not give her problems during CV attack so possibly it sufficient in her system to help with CV immune system problem.?

Fucks knows, its all a bit double dutch, the advice they give out. I am just going to stay at home and nit take any chances.

Hope your daughter is ok, arthiritis is horrible. I get inflammation of my knees and elbows as a side effect of my Crohns. Thats bad enough as it is, it must be terrible to suffer from fully blown arthritis. These dieases really do ruin lives and because you can not seen them, no one realises how bad they, till they get one. Hope she is ok anyway fella.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Fucks knows, its all a bit double dutch, the advice they give out. I am just going to stay at home and nit take any chances.

Hope your daughter is ok, arthiritis is horrible. I get inflammation of my knees and elbows as a side effect of my Crohns. Thats bad enough as it is, it must be terrible to suffer from fully blown arthritis. These dieases really do ruin lives and because you can not seen them, no one realises how bad they, till they get one. Hope she is ok anyway fella.

apt username then.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I fear America is on the verge of something very bad indeed.

It is a nation that hasn't experienced a direct threat to its own shores or people for an eternity.

Those same people are now its biggest threat - countries within countries - an uneasy over-confidence that they can do it their way and to bugger with the consequences.

And when that doesn't work, a war always makes money and convenient dog whistles.

It's a joke such an amazing country gets to choose between Trump and Biden.

It is a time for leadership, we even have it in Boris.

I'd have been much more optimistic that America can muck in if it were Obama at the tiller.

 

[blueparrot]

For those interested heres the framework for options, and projections for lifting lockdown in Scotland. Suggesting another 3 weeks though some bits may be lifted earlier.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2020/05/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making-further-information/documents/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making-further-information/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making-further-information/govscot:document/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making-further-information.pdf

Skimming through looks like the next review will be 28th May, but they are looking at options for some slight changes before the 28th.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Is chaddertonslut69 not an actual name then?

and you have stopped calling me.

 

[sir baconface]

Regardless of that, there would be excess deaths in the way there is now. There simply wasn't. That's the bit that goes against this idea. Unless there's an explanation for why it wasn't killing people then, but decided to start doing it now, then it doesn't add up.

I don’t understand this argument. I thought flu cases fluctuated substantially from year to year, meaning there is no accurate “expected” number of deaths in any particular month; just comparison against a rolling average. In that case, if flu numbers were below par, would “excess deaths” be impacted by a moderate number of misdiagnosed CV-19 cases?

Genuine observation, by the way. Not trying to advance any particular viewpoint and it may be I’m the one misinterpreting things.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

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