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But then why didn't the numbers explode in Feb? We saw a 100x increase in deaths between mid and end of March - in circa 2 weeks. That's what happens with exponential growth when numbers are doubling every three or four days, as they were.

So if we had 100 die in Jan, we'd have seen 10,000 dead by mid Feb and 100,000 by end of Feb (without a lockdown in Feb). i.e. there cannot have been 10,000 infected in Jan. Widespread infection in Jan is not possible.

How do we know the doubling time was 3 days?

The more you ramp up testing the more it would appear the virus is doubling.

Example

1st day of testing 1000 tests 10 infected

7th day of testing 2000 tests 40 infected

The figures would have you believe the virus has doubled every 3 days..... in reality if 1000 tests had been carried on day 7 u may only have found 20 people infected, giving a doubling rate of 6 days
 
Update on point 2:
The risk of catching Covid is 30 times higher at 1 metre apart rather than 2 meters apart. For example the following risks are equivalent:
- Two metres apart for 1 minute; AND
- One metre apart for 6 SECONDS.

Public transport can't be restarted without people wearing face masks and really when you go shopping you should wear one too.

Doesn’t that make it 10x higher?

I'm only quoting what Sir Patrick Vallence said.
In my head, to be 30 times higher the 2nd calculation should be 1 meter for FOUR seconds 2×60/(1×4) = 30.
To be lower at 6 seconds it would imply that droplet density is lower at 1 metre than it is at 2 metres.
 
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How do we know the doubling time was 3 days?

The more you ramp up testing the more it would appear the virus is doubling.

Example

1st day of testing 1000 tests 10 infected

7th day of testing 2000 tests 40 infected

The figures would have you believe the virus has doubled every 3 days..... in reality if 1000 tests had been carried on day 7 u may only have found 20 people infected, giving a doubling rate of 6 days

Scientists modelled it with all the data available.

at the start with no controls it was about 3 days doubling, 5 days soon after controls start.

it was discussed extensively in this thread to start with.

Simplest thing, if you think its been around since Dec/Jan, Try explaining why we got this excess death spike at the end of march and why it didn't happen sooner.

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/covid-19-—-coronavirus.344314/page-3832#post-12635839
 
so when we do excess deaths comparison then you accept that the excess might not all be due to Covid but coincidentally this bad flu season as well ?
Sure, why wouldn't I? I've no idea whether we are having a bad flu season, but if we are then those numbers will be in there. What of it?
 
How do we know the doubling time was 3 days?

The more you ramp up testing the more it would appear the virus is doubling.

Example

1st day of testing 1000 tests 10 infected

7th day of testing 2000 tests 40 infected

The figures would have you believe the virus has doubled every 3 days..... in reality if 1000 tests had been carried on day 7 u may only have found 20 people infected, giving a doubling rate of 6 days
Deaths were doubling every 3 or 4 days. I didn't say anything about infections. I countered the suggestion that perhaps we had 100 dead in Jan with the comment that we'd have had 10,000 dead by mid Feb. We didn't. Ergo, we didn't have 100 COVID deaths in Jan. Not possible.
 
I'm only quoting what Sir Patrick Vallence said.
In my head, to be 30 times higher the 2nd calculation should be 1 meter for FOUR seconds 2×60/(1×4) = 30.

i understand the distancing , totally get you need to maintain distance in case the other person coughs , sneezes or gobs on you . Or hugging and touching.

however i think there are many people who now think that the virus can jump from one person to another So if walking down the pavement and someone is walking towards them and has the virus, That somehow the virus can see them coming and think oh yummy I am going to jump into that person and infect them?
 
429 dead - less than half of last Monday - it is coming down quite quickly now. Tragic but i was expecting north of 500 today.
 
When Chippy says "end of", would you stop arguing with him !!!

I am not arguing with him he is like the death statistician on here. End of.

On a separate note it looks like the angling trust representations may mean we are casting a lively line next week . Fingers crossed.

Before Covid Just imagine fishing and someone comes and sets up 2 metres away from where you are fishing . They would probably end up being thrown in!
 
I am not arguing with him he is like the death statistician on here. End of.

On a separate note it looks like the angling trust representations may mean we are casting a lively line next week . Fingers crossed.

Before Covid Just imagine fishing and someone comes and sets up 2 metres away from where you are fishing . They would probably end up being thrown in!

I saw that and mentioned it in the angling thread. If anyone comes within 50 yards of me I start getting a bit angsty. I've got loads of water, river and lake, within 15 minutes of where I live now so I've got my fingers crossed. Also booked on the Wye on June 16th for a week so we'll see how it goes.
 
Patrick Vallance to the select committee today

It would have been "beneficial" to have ramped up Covid-19 testing quicker, the UK's chief scientific adviser has told MPs assessing the coronavirus response

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52545662


A further 366 people with coronavirus died in English hospitals, a further 44 patients have died with coronavirus in Scotland and 26 more people have died in Wales
 
Sir Patrick vallance been speaking to a select committee. Subtext is a 2nd peak and UK is working to mitigate against that.

I closed my FTSE deal for small profit but had to double-up on a dip to do it which was nerve-wracking as I had a large position which was under-water for a while. Going long after the market opened up 90 points was a big call. This is an easy market to trade at the moment but I am very wary of going short now. Don't want to get caught out by Covid news which could massively move the market. You could go short and then get stranded which I don't intend doing.
No wonder you want football back
 
Correct - for the other thread

But it is clear that some people to not understand the purpose of COBRA - what the facility is for and how it us used.

It is like the brand COBRA has become seen as having some mythical power - where special rites are performed.

Just another opportunity seen to bash the government on matters these people don't understand.

There will be plenty of reasons to criticise the government - people should not need to invent them.
It is a pandemic heading your way,you go to the meetings ffs
 
Sure, why wouldn't I? I've no idea whether we are having a bad flu season, but if we are then those numbers will be in there. What of it?
It has been a real mild winter,u don't know the figures but I would be surprised if the flu season has been bad,trouble is we will never know how many went down as flu when it was covid, think we have to accept we won't have exact figures for either for feb/march
 
Deaths were doubling every 3 or 4 days. I didn't say anything about infections. I countered the suggestion that perhaps we had 100 dead in Jan with the comment that we'd have had 10,000 dead by mid Feb. We didn't. Ergo, we didn't have 100 COVID deaths in Jan. Not possible.

When did we start testing deaths for Covid?

Prior to March Covid deaths could have been going down as Flu/Pneumonia
 
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