Why not listen to the horse.
lets cut the furlough scheme !!
That's a ridiculous idea at this stage and what, have either people destitute or Keeling over in offices?
It would have been far easier to say that you don't have the evidence. If you had you probably wouldn't need to sign off with the insult.That's bullshit, as you well know.
Let's just remind ourselves of what I said, "But the bottom line is we had a 2 or 3 week advantage over Spain, France and Italy and have ended up with more dead than they have. That cannot be described as us having done well. At all."
And your reply,
"Do you have any evidence for that?"
I would not call the above a rant. No-one would, idiot.
I kind of agree with you there but are you saying we shouldn’t have bailed the banks out? Also whilst PPE is a globalisation problem it didn’t need to be. We only had to keep a good stockpile (maybe with some sort of local manufacturing capability) as per our own 2014 Pandemic Preparations Plans, the Tories choose not to.I blame bailing out the banks in 2008 - this led directly to the Conservative austerity for 10 years after ousting Labour (who did the deal with banks). Blaming the incumbent government is easy, thinking back to a root cause is difficult for many. The PPE thing is a globalisation problem - we need to secure our own manufacture base in future, not hawk it out to Asia.
But it would have been incorrect to say that.It would have been far easier to say that you don't have the evidence.
the conclusions sounded very similar to the very initial UK strategy of contain and slow spread. We cannot master it, we must live with it and await possible vaccine.
https://unherd.com/thepost/german-virologist-finds-covid-fatality-rate-of-0-24-0-36/
No evidence then, just another insult.But it would have been incorrect to say that.
And you are being an idiot. Are you arguing that people WERE dying in droves in Manchester when they were doing in their hundreds in Lombardy? If yes, then you are an idiot. If no, then you are being idiotic in questioning my claim. Either way...
It would have been far easier to say that you don't have the evidence. If you had you probably wouldn't need to sign off with the insult.
WTF are you going on about??? And the "insult" is just an observation. You are being an idiot, or are an idiot. I am assume the former, but I really don't know.No evidence then, just another insult.
So Whitty (and Ferguson) and most of the scientists advising the government are incompetent because they're not working in private industry?There's a difference between always being incompetent and sometimes/often being incompetent.
Nice try though.
Do you have the up to date figures for France, Italy and Spain ? Yes or no ?WTF are you going on about???
I keep telling you that we had a 2 or 3 week advantage over Italy. Do you REALLY want evidence for that? REALLY? Serious question.
I mean honestly, it's not in debate, it's universally accepted.
Random data:
March 7th. Italy, total deaths 233. Uk total deaths 1.
March 21st (2 weeks later) Uk, 250 deaths. Italy, 4,825
I don't know why I am even indulging you on this. It's ludicrous we are even debating it.
Yes.Do you have the up to date figures for France, Italy and Spain ? Yes or no ?
Interesting. The ONS must be lying then.Yes.
Thanks for that overview Marvin.Yes but no one knows how it will all play out in the end.
There are 3 ways out of this:
Immunity from infection
Immunity from vaccination or an effective medicine
Test like mad and hope it gets a country through their winter, and the 2nd wave. The 2nd wave is important as no country will be able to lockdown again. They will collapse as happened in the financial collapse with runs on the banks etc.
The UK has gone for option 1, and that's not because they are callous or stupid but because the experts think that the most important aspect is to avoid a 2nd peak. I think they may pragmatically switch to testing depending on current immunity levels, vaccine progress and the results of testing.
Most countries are coming through the 1st wave now. Deaths will fall significantly in the Northern Hemisphere. We don't know if it will fall close to zero, or tick over in the background but without any immunity some countries will be very prone to another wave in the late Autumn. The conservative strategy has some logic behind it and it's not callous. I suspect that there will be a vaccine, and that Germany, China, South Korea will all be able to hold it at bay but we that is really an act of faith. South Korea and China stopped it by mass testing but they have different environmental conditions. We don't know if it hits again in the Winter that we'd be able to do that. I am pretty confident that the UK will cope this Autumn because so many people have had it now. But what happens to those temperate states with very low immunity in the Autumn? No one knows. Everyone would like to think testing will hold it off but that's an act of faith.
It's an unbelievably difficult problem. it's not helped by suppressing the scientific opinion that's fed to government from SAGE. I have changed my opinion on the subject and still wobble around about it now as there's so much to understand and we don't have access to information or have a good understanding of the underlying science.
Minister Jenrick "medicines to his mother" is still in post.How does anyone come back from this.
She put her kids lifes at risk and her soon to be ex- husband.
He cannot advise again.
If you think otherwise, why the FUCK have we had to go around this fucking annoying loop with your idiotic "do you have any evidence for that" bullshit?Interesting. The ONS must be lying then.
Why not listen to the horse.
If you want to snivel about Brexit, at least fcuk off to the right thread.The Govt is clueless on Brexit. It’s still in denial over the Withdrawal Agreement and the NI protocols. It has no idea why we won’t be treated like Canada, it’s blithely talking about training 50,000 new custom agents which is more than the EU, it’s trying to do a trade deal with the US in the middle of a fucking pandemic and it’s ‘plan’ to phase us out of lockdown will be riddled with the same incompetence they showed prior to taking us into lockdown.
The media in Europe is painting as the ‘idiots of Europe’ over our handling of pandemic. The fact the UK papers are leading with ‘Professor Shagalot’ tells you everything about the Govts handling of the situation.