COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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twosips said:
God imagine the scenes outside of pubs with people trying to get in and not taking no for an answer. Gonna be minging. Hordes of people stood outside the pub moaning.
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It's the toilets in bars over there that are going to be a big problem too. Most places you are lucky if they have more than one single toilet which both men and women have to use. There will be lots of crowding in that vicinity. A fair few bars still hand wash glasses in a sink too so not 100% killing the virus, though I would imagine people will have to keep the same glass all night.
 
robbieh said:
You guys just carry on thinking Boris and Hancock are doing a great job.

I never said their figures were comparable. What is comparable is the reaction to the virus. If they had acted as we have they would be looking at much larger figures.



The point is she wouldn't have done that. She'd have closed the tube.
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well that would be a brilliant idea wouldn’t it. How do you think people working in hospitals in London get to work ?

glad you are not in charge
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Another 650 deaths today. How can we possibly even contemplate easing off now?
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I agree I know people keep telling me on here and in the press that the deaths are falling yet every non weekend day it’s 600 deaths ?

I appreciate this is not always deaths on the day but eventually the number catches up doesn’t it and it should be falling .

I would be expecting it to be in the 300s then it’s double that
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I agree I know people keep telling me on here and in the press that the deaths are falling yet every non weekend day it’s 600 deaths ?

I appreciate this is not always deaths on the day but eventually the number catches up doesn’t it and it should be falling .

I would be expecting it to be in the 300s then it’s double that
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No, weekdays last week were in the high 700s, the weekdays the week before 800s up to over 1000.
This week 600s, so it’s obviously falling, not far enough yet but falling.
Plus around half are in care homes, which probably need different restrictions and measures to the general population.
 
karen7 said:
They think kids are carriers of sorts ,they can get it and they can get symptoms but not much aside from the rare ones who have died,most people get no symptoms or get a mild/moderate illness that they might not think is covid,they are passing it on without knowing ,that is why everyone is on some kind of lockdown,we are protecting each other,to illustrate the point

The daughter whose mum died and her dad is battling it

Mrs Wright died at Furness General Hospital in Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, last Wednesday after battling the virus for days.She and her husband caught the illness even though they hadn't left their house for weeks, said Mrs Buchanan

They were, however, visited by care workers and medical professionals while they were shielding, she added

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-devastated-daughter-shares-final-21969433

Those visiting wouldn't have gone if they had symptoms,they would have been at home isolating but clearly somebody had it but didn't know it,one of the keys going forward is to find out how many have it with no symptoms
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They may also have caught it from handling a letter or parcel from an infected delivery person. Possibly even an infected sender of the letter or parcel (although I guess that is less likely).
 
robbieh said:
Still the overall point remains NZ have handled this way better than the UK.
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A population of 4.8m sparsely spread across two islands and not an air travel hub.
I think my 4 year old granddaughter could do a good job under those circumstances.
 
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I don't think it's quite really sunk in how big a number 30k deaths actually is for many. I'm really surprised how many are just kinda indifferent to it all. It's an awful lot. Did a quick calculation, and based on the UK population being 66m, that's 0.045% of the population who have passed away from this. Or one in every 2222 people in this country. Doesn't sound like much once again, but one in every 2222 people would be about 25 people out of a full Etihad stadium. That's pretty awful.

Now if the deaths are actually around the 50k mark like rumoured due to excess deaths, it's one in every 1333 people. Or 41 people out of a full Etihad stadium. I know the Etihad stadium thing is an odd comparison, but it made the numbers really hit home for me. That's a lot of people.

It's a fucking awful lot of death, and it makes me incredibly angry when you see how much of it could have been potentially avoided. We've got every right to look at Germany's significantly lower numbers and ask how we seemingly got it so wrong.

Obviously that death ratio is heavily weighted towards an older demographic too. Basically, the odds of someone's parents or grandparents passing away from this and just scarily small. Many more people should be taking this even more seriously than they are.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Both.
Infected can pass it on through coughing and touch.
Un-infected can pick up virus off surfaces and spread it.
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Perhaps I phrased my uncertainty incorrectly.
Some people are carriers of the virus without showing symptoms. Others have had the virus but recovered.
Are both these group examples infection sources to all they contact?
 
I know it's only in my little group of friends and associates but four of them have been contacted by their employers to return to work next week from furlough.
 
west didsblue said:
Try SK as a comparison
Population 52 million. Density 517/km^2
Capital Seoul - population 10m
Covid deaths 255
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They learned their lesson from SARS though.
- They built a testing industry to deliver 50k tests a day initially that could be ramped up.
- Contact tracing teams set up read to go.
- Airport passenger monitoring already in place (not as good as Taiwan but not too shabby).
- A zillion tons of sanitizer and disinfectant stockpiled and ready to go.
- A mask manufacturing capability in place with a stockpile.
- Regular testing of their virus and civil defence capability.

What did our bunch of cretions in SAGE do?
They just though it would be bad flu from 2004 and continued to think it would be bad flu right up to February. They decided masks were a waste of time (even though it would have dramatically reduced infection on public transport).

The governmnts reaction has been poor but they started with a shit plan in the back pocket.
 
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