Keir Starmer

ganganvince said:
I don't I think he is the best leader Labour could have and will certainley make the Govt up their game. I assumed you were calling him a nonce as this is the Starmer thread.
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I was referring to WW saying that Boris should have mentioned Jimmy Savile.

Sorry, crossed wires all round.
 
worsleyweb said:
You all want to talk about death league tables I forgot.
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We were actually talking about Starmer's performance in PMQs before you weirdly brought Jimmy Savile into it. Presumably as a diversion from the fact the PM was a bumbling mess today. But we will continue to ask questions about why so many people are dying. Answering those questions might actually save lives. Meanwhile you can continue licking the boot.
 
Mon Autre said:
We were actually talking about Starmer's performance in PMQs before you weirdly brought Jimmy Savile into it. Presumably as a diversion from the fact the PM was a bumbling mess today. But we will continue to ask questions about why so many people are dying. Answering those questions might actually save lives. Meanwhile you can continue licking the boot.
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The PM's 'bumbling mess' routine is a very carefully crafted means of slipping out of an awkward situation.
 
karen7 said:
Starmer did ok today,this is a very delicate balance he has to have,i am sure he would rather be able to get stuck in more
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Why doesn’t he get stuck in then
He should do what he thinks right
It’s not a game
 
Early signs is that Starmer looks impressive at the dispatch box, calm, measured and holding Boris to account. Wish Labour supporters could just unite behind him - as it seems whoever is leader there is always going to be a divide.
 
Tb1981 said:
Why doesn’t he get stuck in then
He should do what he thinks right
It’s not a game
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Because there is a huge death toll and everyone is trying to be respectful at this stage,they have to work together as much as possible,the country would not be pleased to see them going at each other right now ,also boris has just risen from the dead,the time to go in really hard will be later

Why are you trying to point score?
 
He has a difficult balancing act to do in the current criticism of the government, to be seen to be using the virus as a means for political point scoring will harm him and the party. It should be a softly softly approach with the tone being helpful advice. The aftermath will then allow him to have on record where his concerns were.

On a general note he needs to edge out the far left slowly and try and fight the urge to constantly mention certain subjects ie

Social justice
Unions
Gender issues
The rich as a whole demographic

If he doesn’t try for political reform and be very strong on the enviroment he won’t ever get my vote but that doesn’t seem that important to a largely idiotic general public.

Those northern towns want something they can believe in and middle England don’t want to risk their comfy lives on giving it to them.
 
I’ve not seen PMQs yet.

However looking at last weeks it felt far more interesting without a couple of hundred MPs trying to shout down the opposition leader.
 
mat said:
I’ve not seen PMQs yet.

However looking at last weeks it felt far more interesting without a couple of hundred MPs trying to shout down the opposition leader.
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PMQs are very much for people interested in politics and not the general public. Posters on here can live in a bit of a bubble but him doing well will not harm him but it won’t make him either. His first step will be gaining back traditional voters which is the easy bit. From there it gets very tricky.

After years of incompetence, brexit and austerity the Tories have a huge lead and I’m not hopeful that even a calamity that is this virus will change enough voters minds in this country. Even tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives lost or deeply affected won’t be enough to guarantee booting out of the Tories. Depressing but probably true.
 
Not seen PMQs?

John Crace did.

"Boris visibly wilted under the most gentle of onslaughts. Maybe he’s still not fully recovered from his illness. Maybe his time in intensive care has provided him with a conscience that had hitherto been absent. Or maybe he somehow realises the game is up. That he was essentially a prime minister for the Good Times, someone to lift spirits with delusional appeals to jingoism. All of which could take place in a moral vacuum of no consequences for him. Now, though, he knows he’s been found out. That his failures have left him with blood on his hands that no amount of washing for 20 seconds while singing Happy Birthday can get clean. He has become Lady Macbeth."

Full article - and clip from PMQ ("I have in my hand a piece of paper - is this yours"?)
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lejQ07BNDe_JeIaKtfZjdon_XBzuo8yHQI9jaanHrS56w
 
hilts said:
He has a difficult balancing act to do in the current criticism of the government, to be seen to be using the virus as a means for political point scoring will harm him and the party. It should be a softly softly approach with the tone being helpful advice. The aftermath will then allow him to have on record where his concerns were.

On a general note he needs to edge out the far left slowly and try and fight the urge to constantly mention certain subjects ie

Social justice
Unions
Gender issues
The rich as a whole demographic

If he doesn’t try for political reform and be very strong on the enviroment he won’t ever get my vote but that doesn’t seem that important to a largely idiotic general public.

Those northern towns want something they can believe in and middle England don’t want to risk their comfy lives on giving it to them.
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He can't erase unions and social justice from his rhetoric. It's the party's raison d'etre.

And also the importance of workers rights are crucial right now as we prepare to come out of lockdown and need to ensure their safety is being taken seriously by employers.
 
Mon Autre said:
He can't erase unions and social justice from his rhetoric. It's the party's raison d'etre.

And also the importance of workers rights are crucial right now as we prepare to come out of lockdown and need to ensure their safety is being taken seriously by employers.
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Sorry you didn't read the post properly.
 
hilts said:
PMQs are very much for people interested in politics and not the general public. Posters on here can live in a bit of a bubble but him doing well will not harm him but it won’t make him either. His first step will be gaining back traditional voters which is the easy bit. From there it gets very tricky.

After years of incompetence, brexit and austerity the Tories have a huge lead and I’m not hopeful that even a calamity that is this virus will change enough voters minds in this country. Even tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives lost or deeply affected won’t be enough to guarantee booting out of the Tories. Depressing but probably true.
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You are so right. Starmer may well lacerate Johnson on a weekly basis at PMQ but so what? Unless he can engage traditional labour voters + the middle ground and win hearts and minds around traditional values of fairness, decency and bring some honesty back to politics, it means nothing.
 
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