COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Ohrodneyrodney]

It has only been 5/6 weeks ,keeping people apart will keep people alive,it is a new and new virus that nobody in the world had immunity to,patience

I agree with keeping people apart Karen Ive been doing it from well before this really in the news here. But you can carry on doing some things whilst keeping safe.

 

[kaz7]

Latest excess mortality figures have been published. We've got the worst excess mortality figures in the world, worse than both Belgium and Italy. But at least the NHS wasn't overwhelmed.

Strange comment,the nhs is our health service,that had to be first priority ,that is where your life will be saved

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Why 6 months though? Why are other countries already doing lots of this? Why can't we for fucks sake? That's bullshit and passing the buck for the government.

That's assuming you believe what is being announced by all the other countries. I don't. But my point still stands even if you say two months.

 

[Fame Monster]

Strange comment,the nhs is our health service,that had to be first priority ,that is where your life will be saved

My point was that the NHS actually has been overwhelmed. You can't just point to a few empty beds as proof it wasn't when we've got 50,000 excess deaths and over a hundred (many retired and brought back into service) medics dead. Counting empty beds completely belies the truth of what's taken place.

 

[twosips]

That's assuming you believe what is being announced by all the other countries. I don't. But my point still stands even if you say two months.

Yes, I do believe it, cos its widely reported, proven and already happening in many places. Spain, for one, are giving out masks to the general public, Germany are doing widespread antibody tests, temperature checks at airports are happening in many countries across the world, other countries will develop an app that doesn't have to be permanently open to work (ffs, really? It's 2020), there's tonnes of countries testing more than us, and we're definitely capable if we pull our finger out of our arse there, and I'm pretty certain every country in the world will be changing the way we work. Whether we enforce that or not is on us.

The only excuse for most of this not happening will be incompetence at government level.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Yes, I do believe it, cos its widely reported, proven and already happening in many places. Spain, for one, are giving out masks to the general public, Germany are doing widespread antibody tests, temperature checks at airports are happening in many countries across the world, other countries will develop an app that doesn't have to be permanently open to work (ffs, really? It's 2020), there's tonnes of countries testing more than us, and we're definitely capable if we pull our finger out of our arse there, and I'm pretty certain every country in the world will be changing the way we work. Whether we enforce that or not is on us.

The only excuse for most of this not happening will be incompetence at government level.

OK. You are not for easing the lockdown, I am. Let me give you an actual example. Under current guidelines I am not allowed to visit my family including grandchildren. None of us, none, have been in any contact whatsoever with anyone (inside or outside the family) for weeks. None of us (none) have any symptoms whatsoever. I am not talking about airports or crossing the globe I'm talking about travelling 5 miles in my car. I think the lockdown should be EASED so I can visit them (at a social distance), because to my mind (and I can guarantee Im more cautious than you) there is no risk to any of us. And I can guarantee that if the government don't start to apply common sense to these situations any 'lockdown' will be meaningless.

 

[kaz7]

My point was that the NHS actually has been overwhelmed. You can't just point to a few empty beds as proof it wasn't when we've got 50,000 excess deaths and over a hundred (many retired and brought back into service) medics dead. Counting empty beds completely belies the truth of what's taken place.

Depends what you mean by overwhelmed,everybody that needed a critical care bed/ventilating got one,every one who needed to be admitted got a bed,all the staff that came back meant we had the staff,that is the basic parameters

Overwhelmed in terms over PPE,absolutely,imo that is why we have lost so many staff,could anyone ever expect this to happen at all let alone on this scale,it has been a waking nightmare for staff who were not prepared for this,mentally the toll on them will last for decades

This has never happened to us before,we had to set up things we will never need again in our life times,preparation for a pandemic is an argument for later

Most of the excess deaths are in the community,where sadly we didn't protect them

 

[davek1808]

Yes, I do believe it, cos its widely reported, proven and already happening in many places. Spain, for one, are giving out masks to the general public, Germany are doing widespread antibody tests, temperature checks at airports are happening in many countries across the world, other countries will develop an app that doesn't have to be permanently open to work (ffs, really? It's 2020), there's tonnes of countries testing more than us, and we're definitely capable if we pull our finger out of our arse there, and I'm pretty certain every country in the world will be changing the way we work. Whether we enforce that or not is on us.

The only excuse for most of this not happening will be incompetence at government level.

You're last sentence will almost certainly become a reality, I honestly can't believe just how bad this government has been in every aspect of this crisis, like people have said we had the advantage of a window to see how bad this virus was spreading, the advantage of being an island which we could and should of shut all borders but what did we do instead we held sporting events like Cheltenham, league Cup final and just incase we hadn't infected enough people we invite thousands over from a city highly infected for the chumps league, they have repeatedly lied about testing, wearing masks the list is endless so after following the science I have come to the conclusion that these twats are useless.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Depends what you mean by overwhelmed,everybody that needed a critical care bed/ventilating got one,every one who needed to be admitted got a bed,all the staff that came back meant we had the staff,that is the basic parameters

Overwhelmed in terms over PPE,absolutely,imo that is why we have lost so many staff,could anyone ever expect this to happen at all let alone on this scale,it has been a waking nightmare for staff who were not prepared for this,mentally the toll on them will last for decades

This has never happened to us before,we had to set up things we will never need again in our life times,preparation for a pandemic is an argument for later

Most of the excess deaths are in the community,where sadly we didn't protect them

Good post Karen, it has definitely taken a massive toll but anyone who thinks the NHS have been overwhelmed by this simply have no comprehension of the meaning of the word.

 

[kaz7]

OK. You are not for easing the lockdown, I am. Let me give you an actual example. Under current guidelines I am not allowed to visit my family including grandchildren. None of us, none, have been in any contact whatsoever with anyone (inside or outside the family) for weeks. None of us (none) have any symptoms whatsoever. I am not talking about airports or crossing the globe I'm talking about travelling 5 miles in my car. I think the lockdown should be EASED so I can visit them (at a social distance), because to my mind (and I can guarantee Im more cautious than you) there is no risk to any of us. And I can guarantee that if the government don't start to apply common sense to these situations any 'lockdown' will be meaningless.

Why am I still reading we have no symptoms,large parts of the country/world have it but are not getting symptoms,that is what lock down is all about,keeping people away from people till we learn more about this new virus,it is the same for the whole world,it is shit but to not chuck away all of our efforts already just wait

 

[kaz7]

Good post Karen, it has definitely taken a massive toll but anyone who thinks the NHS have been overwhelmed by this simply have no comprehension of the meaning of the word.

Thanks,the staff feel overwhelmed for sure but structurally we haven't turned anyone with covid away because there was no room or equipment or staff

 

[twosips]

OK. You are not for easing the lockdown, I am. Let me give you an actual example. Under current guidelines I am not allowed to visit my family including grandchildren. None of us, none, have been in any contact whatsoever with anyone (inside or outside the family) for weeks. None of us (none) have any symptoms whatsoever. I am not talking about airports or crossing the globe I'm talking about travelling 5 miles in my car. I think the lockdown should be EASED so I can visit them (at a social distance), because to my mind (and I can guarantee Im more cautious than you) there is no risk to any of us. And I can guarantee that if the government don't start to apply common sense to these situations any 'lockdown' will be meaningless.

None of that has anything to do with my post, just that you want to see your grandkids. So you have personal reasons, not ones based on wider society. Fair enough, I get that mate. I truly do, but it's not reasoning based out of anything other than an urge to see family, and that's from the heart, not the head. I emphasise though - I want to see my parents too. I wish my wedding wasn't cancelled. I wish I wasn't having to break into money i'd save for years to get a mortgage to get by. I was planning on hopefully starting a family towards the end of this year, probs won't happen now due to no house buying plans and no money now.

I also wish my holiday wasn't cancelled. I wish my earnings weren't slashed by about 80% from this. I wish my fiance hadn't lost her great grandma to this virus. I wish I hadn't lost an auntie to it too, and that my dad could have gone to her funeral, and I could have seen him to console him at some point. My auntie died, and I couldn't even see him in person to pass on my condolences, never mind hug him. It felt awful...

Yet, I've not broken any of the restrictions and remained ultra cautious, despite being 34 and most likely fine if I caught it. I've had to argue with my parents about taking it seriously, as I want them to be around to be potential grandparents to my future kids one day. But I'm aware that regardless of what I 'want', and I'd truly love to see them and give my dad a long overdue hug in particular, people could die if we just get bored, and I don't want that to happen. It's a huge sacrifice, but its one i'm willing to take to maintain their health. So I do't want the lockdown eased UNTIL there are assurances that we can deal with, and hopefully prevent a second peak.

And once again, as I quite clearly said, I AM fine with the lockdown easing IF we can prove that my parents, and many others, and hopefully not anyone you know or love, will die due to half arsed measures... it is possible, and we shouldn't accept that it isn't. It's necessary, in fact. We can't get lazy and give up. If we have to wait another month or so to be sure, so be it. It'll save tens of thousands of lives.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Why am I still reading we have no symptoms,large parts of the country/world have it but are not getting symptoms,that is what lock down is all about,keeping people away from people till we learn more about this new virus,it is the same for the whole world,it is shut but to not chuck away all of our efforts already just wait

Maybe you missed the bit where I said none of us have been in contact with anyone for weeks ???

Not being funny Karen you buggered off to Wembley when a lot of us said "you're joking no way am I going to that !! "

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

None of that has anything to do with my post, just that you want to see your grandkids. So you have personal reasons, not ones based on wider society. Fair enough, I get that mate. I truly do, but it's not reasoning based out of anything other than an urge to see family, and that's from the heart, not the head. I emphasise though - I want to see my parents too. I wish my wedding wasn't cancelled. I wish I wasn't having to break into money i'd save for years to get a mortgage to get by. I was planning on hopefully starting a family towards the end of this year, probs won't happen now due to no house buying plans and no money now.

I also wish my holiday wasn't cancelled. I wish my earnings weren't slashed by about 80% from this. I wish my fiance hadn't lost her great grandma to this virus. I wish I hadn't lost an auntie to it too, and that my dad could have gone to her funeral, and I could have seen him to console him at some point. My auntie died, and I couldn't even see him in person to pass on my condolences, never mind hug him. It felt awful...

Yet, I've not broken any of the restrictions and remained ultra cautious, despite being 34 and most likely fine if I caught it. I've had to argue with my parents about taking it seriously, as I want them around to be grandparents to my kids one day. But I'm aware that regardless of what I 'want', and I'd truly love to see them and give my dad a long overdue hug in particular, people could die if we just get bored, and I don't want that to happen. It's a huge sacrifice, but its one i'm willing to take to maintain their health. So I do't want the lockdown eased UNTIL there are assurances that we can deal with, and hopefully prevent a second peak.

And once again, as I quite clearly said, I AM fine with the lockdown easing IF we can prove that my parents, and many others, and hopefully not anyone you know or love, will die due to half arsed measures... it is possible, and we shouldn't accept that it isn't. If we have to wait another month or so to be sure, so be it. It'll save tens of thousands of lives.

Sorry mate you're completely wrong. It is to do with the heart but also the head. If I meet my family from a safe distance there is no risk to anyone. So that, as a first step, should be allowed.

 

[kaz7]

Maybe you missed the bit where I said none of us have been in contact with anyone for weeks ???

Not being funny Karen you buggered off to Wembley when a lot of us said "you're joking no way am I going to that !! "

Who brought your shopping,your medicines ? It is caught from surfaces,cardboard and plastic coming into the home,had your family been out of the house,who had they been near? This is a highly contagious virus,we are still losing several hundred people every single day,there is no fast way out of this,people have been asked to give up a lot and they have and it has worked and lives have been saved,every country is preparing their people for a new normal,this is here for a long time

I hope you get to see your family soon, I hope the same for everybody in every country

We have been primarily told to stay at home not in a tent somewhere,most people can cope,it is the human touch that is the hard thing,people dying alone in their thousands is why we need to stay apart that and for our frontline workers to be able to cope,everyone has had to sacrifice something

Nice dig by the way,i get to few games and at the time it didn't seem much of a risk and I paid for it

 

[Fame Monster]

Depends what you mean by overwhelmed,everybody that needed a critical care bed/ventilating got one,every one who needed to be admitted got a bed,all the staff that came back meant we had the staff,that is the basic parameters

Overwhelmed in terms over PPE,absolutely,imo that is why we have lost so many staff,could anyone ever expect this to happen at all let alone on this scale,it has been a waking nightmare for staff who were not prepared for this,mentally the toll on them will last for decades

This has never happened to us before,we had to set up things we will never need again in our life times,preparation for a pandemic is an argument for later

Most of the excess deaths are in the community,where sadly we didn't protect them

It depends what you consider the basic parameters to be.

You say everyone who needed treatment got it. I disagree.

I think the huge spike in deaths in the community isn't just explained away by people being scared to ring 999. Cancelled operations, record ambulance waiting times, sending patients with COVID-19 back into the community, increased use of DNR forms etc all provide just as good an explanation for that spike imo.

It's a mixed bag and not running out of beds or ventilators has been a success (we will disagree about the qualified staff levels) and we're not the only country in the world to face a lot of these problems but I just think it rings a bit hollow to say the health service hasn't been overwhelmed when we've got the highest excess mortality figure in the world.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Who brought your shopping,your medicines ? It is caught from surfaces,cardboard and plastic coming into the home,had your family been out of the house,who had they been near? This is a highly contagious virus,we are still losing several hundred people every single day,there is no fast way out of this,people have been asked to give up a lot and they have and it has worked and lives have been saved,every country is preparing their people for a new normal,this is here for a long time

I hope you get to see your family soon, I hope the same for everybody in every country

We have been primarily told to stay at home not in a tent somewhere,most people can cope,it is the human touch that is the hard thing,people dying alone in their thousands is why we need to stay apart that and for our frontline workers to be able to cope,everyone has had to sacrifice something

Nice dig by the way,i get to few games and at the time it didn't seem much of a risk and I paid for it

Not sure of your point Karen but we get everything delivered and anti-bac it all as it comes in. And to be fair you had a dig at me first because I said, incidentally, we have had no symptoms. Which happens to be true and I think quite relevant, even if you don't.

 

[kaz7]

Not sure of your point Karen but we get everything delivered and anti-bac it all as it comes in. And to be fair you had a dig at me first because I said, incidentally, we have had no symptoms. Which happens to be true and I think quite relevant, even if you don't.

It wasn't a dig,it was an are you sure none of your family have had contact with anyone else in any way

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

It wasn't a dig,it was an are you sure none of your family have had contact with anyone else in any way

Yes, absolutely.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

OK. You are not for easing the lockdown, I am. Let me give you an actual example. Under current guidelines I am not allowed to visit my family including grandchildren. None of us, none, have been in any contact whatsoever with anyone (inside or outside the family) for weeks. None of us (none) have any symptoms whatsoever. I am not talking about airports or crossing the globe I'm talking about travelling 5 miles in my car. I think the lockdown should be EASED so I can visit them (at a social distance), because to my mind (and I can guarantee Im more cautious than you) there is no risk to any of us. And I can guarantee that if the government don't start to apply common sense to these situations any 'lockdown' will be meaningless.

Ring them? Face time them?