COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Brendan110_0]

It'll all come out eventually but that is the big question. Why were poorly people from care homes either not admitted to hospitals at all or sent back to care homes from hospital (when under normal circumstances they would have been kept in hospital) when there were beds available? Still at least it allowed the government to take some hollow credit for not having the NHS overwhelmed.

The Rockwood/NICE clinical frailty scoring is why.

 

[BlueAnorak]

They were buying their own PPE which was enough for normal use,hospitals were sending patients with covid into homes,if the gov didn't see anything coming in care homes why would the owner of one do,they were left unprotected,lambs to the slaughter

Nice of you to admit that the cause is the nature of centralised beauracracy, which it is.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Passenger traffic at London's Heathrow Airport, one of the busiest in the world, has fallen by 97%, John Holland-Kaye, the airport's chief executive.

I’m sure in a couple of pages someone will say ‘it’s a disgrace we’re still letting thousands fly in everyday ‘

 

[lancs blue]

Passenger traffic at London's Heathrow Airport, one of the busiest in the world, has fallen by 97%, John Holland-Kaye, the airport's chief executive.

I’m sure in a couple of pages someone will say ‘it’s a disgrace we’re still letting thousands fly in everyday ‘

Well if you do the sums 3% of 80m is about 6,500 per day. ;-)

 

[ayrshire_blue]

 

[Manc in London]

I have taken this off face book but very poignant.

"For a small amount of perspective at this moment, imagine you were an American born in 1900. When you are 14, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday with 22 million people killed. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until you are 20. Fifty million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.
When you're 29, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, global GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet.
When you're 41, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war and the Holocaust kills six million. At 52, the Korean War starts and five million perish.
At 64 the Vietnam War begins, and it doesn’t end for many years. Four million people die in that conflict. Approaching your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, could well have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.
As you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends. Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that? A kid in 1985 didn’t think their 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. Yet those grandparents (and now great grandparents) survived through everything listed above.
Perspective is an amazing art. Let’s try and keep things in perspective. Let’s be smart, help each other out, and we will get through all of this. In the history of the world, there has never been a storm that lasted. This too, shall pass."

I have nothing but admiration for the generations who lived and fought through all this adversity.
This Virus may pass but it may not it may just go from a Pandemic to an Endemic killer.

At this time later Generations, which includes myself, could really do with some of the Stoicism of our forefathers.

But of a shame 'our forefathers' did not prevent several of those things happening. The 20th century was a breeze compared to the 14th century. ;)

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

she probably ran round high 5s with all the neighbours with her Games of Thrones punchline.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I'm not sure on that but if it is the case there is no defence. Why didn't they use the nightingale hospitals that they built specifically for covid?

There was never the required number of staff or the required stocks of PPE to ever have them operating. They were a complete white elephant.

 

[Corky]

This has fallen on the national health infrastructure, not sure what she means by the public health one. When public health responsibility was taken from the NHS about 7 years ago and given to councils who weren't sure what there role was meant to be, was when all this fell down.

 

[True_Blue69]

Hopefully she's as accurate as the other expert Ferguson the we have based our response so far on. I do wonder what the agenda is from people like this woman making perfections such as this to try and keep people scared.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Spain with under 100 deaths for the first time in 2 months, and only slightly over 1k new cases. Positive news.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Hopefully she's as accurate as the other expert Ferguson the we have based our response so far on. I do wonder what the agenda is from people like this woman making perfections such as this to try and keep people scared.

Thought I read that although Ferguson has been miles off in the past, his predictions for covid prior to his resignation have been pretty accurate thus far, in terms of deaths with lockdown impact? Might be wrong here btw.

I don't think she needs to have a particular agenda as such, sadly it might be the way it goes. Horrible news that nobody needs to hear but she wouldn't be doing her job if she wasn't speaking about it.

 

[True_Blue69]

Thought I read that although Ferguson has been miles off in the past, his predictions for covid prior to his resignation have been pretty accurate thus far, in terms of deaths with lockdown impact? Might be wrong here btw.

I don't think she needs to have a particular agenda as such, sadly it might be the way it goes. Horrible news that nobody needs to hear but she wouldn't be doing her job if she wasn't speaking about it.

Total opposite of what I read yesterday which was when other experts have tried to make sense of his data it was described as 'a mess' and if a business had produced such analysis they would go bust. The guy has a history of failure yet we allowed him to dictate our response. Probably the biggest failure of the whole episode for me.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Hopefully she's as accurate as the other expert Ferguson the we have based our response so far on. I do wonder what the agenda is from people like this woman making perfections such as this to try and keep people scared.

What is the harm in listening to the advice and ensuring we’re well stocked on ventilators and ppe for the next wave?

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

They were buying their own PPE which was enough for normal use,hospitals were sending patients with covid into homes,if the gov didn't see anything coming in care homes why would the owner of one do,they were left unprotected,lambs to the slaughter

The Rockwood/NICE clinical frailty scoring is why.[/
This is a bit silly but I’ve no ides what the rock wood/nice clinical frailty scoring is could you explain please

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

This has fallen on the national health infrastructure, not sure what she means by the public health one. When public health responsibility was taken from the NHS about 7 years ago and given to councils who weren't sure what there role was meant to be, was when all this fell down.

I see her tweets as sound bites that don’t really educate but rather sensationalise or grab headlines.

just my opinion but there are a few in the scientific and health community that are doing this type of thing.
Fact of the matter is, they haven’t got a scooby doo, much like the rest of us.

 

[True_Blue69]

What is the harm in listening to the advice and ensuring we’re well stocked on ventilators and ppe for the next wave?

'All signs point to the virus hitting hard in winter'. How does she know what's going to happen in the next 8 weeks never mind 5 months.

 

[mexico1970]

What is the harm in listening to the advice and ensuring we’re well stocked on ventilators and ppe for the next wave?

There is that much advice it's become white noise, what we need is a strategy and a firm one, we have to pick our poison and give it a chance to work. If we listen to government ministers there is a raft of conflicting advice depending on whatever study or "Top" scientist they have been listening to.

Safety equipment as you say should be one of the first objectives but the implementation of a coherent strategy has to be put in place, listening to every expert isn't cutting the mustard.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

'All signs point to the virus hitting hard in winter'. How does she know what's going to happen in the next 8 weeks never mind 5 months.

meanwhile a former director of the WHO is claiming we may not need a vaccine as the virus could burn itself out .

torygraph are reporting ....

 

[BlueAnorak]

There was never the required number of staff or the required stocks of PPE to ever have them operating. They were a complete white elephant.

They were built for two reasons.
1. In case the initial epidemic got too out of hand.
2. For the 2nd winter wave.