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Chippy_boy said:
I'm a bit mixed about the clapping.

I'm happy to clap for the front-line workers doing a great job. Less so for others who frankly I don't know what they are doing. A&E is empty, many of the non-ICU wards are half full. Operating theatres are hardly loaded. Our local GP surgery normally has about 10 to 15 doctors on duty and currently is allowing in 1 patient in at a time. So I guess that means 1 doctor working. I've no idea what the others are doing but you would have thought given the light load in every department apart from COVID-19, resources would be available?

And yet earlier this week my nextdoor neighbours' 98 year old mother fell and was lying helplessly on the floor, in pain. She called her daughter for help. Her daughter - our neighbour - is 78 herself and has a serious heart condition so is in no condition to be picking her mum up, let alone checking her over medically. So she called our surgery hoping to get a GP to come out and check her mum was OK.. as well as pick her up off the floor. Could her daughter get anyone out to help? No, they refused and claimed they were very busy. "Can't you do it?" "Isn't there a neighbour who can help?" Every excuse under the sun, but no help. She ended up having to call for an emergency doctor because no-one from the local surgery would help, and all the time a 98 year old is lying on the ground. I am not clapping for these people.
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Doctors dont do home visits anymore,long before covid,she should have called for an ambulance,so because some staff are not busy due to patients not going to hospital you don't want to call for those in intensive units fighting to save patients,those unjust staff are still risking their lives keeping us safe,i know you don't value the nhs but come on,surgeries are open,they are being very careful to keep out people walking in,it is by appt only to keep it from being full of people close together
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Yes it is, isn't it. Should we be clapping this sort of behaviour?

I am continually amazed by the reaction to ANY criticism of anything the NHS does or of anyone who works in it. Some saints work in the NHS. But not 1.5m of them.
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i almost lost my leg due to negligence from the NHS, ended up now scared for life and a dip in my shin.

They lied in court, but I still clap for the NHS
 
Chippy_boy said:
What massive sweeping generalisations? I have no issue with clapping or other people clapping. I merely pointed out that I am a bit mixed about it because I think some people in the NHS are heroes whereas others are plainly not. It is not blasphemy to suggest such things.
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Every single one in any job in the nhs are heros,staff at every level have been moved around to help save covid patients,every one that goes into running a hospital ,drs surgery etc has put their lives at risk for us,for you if you get covid and end up in intensive care,porters ,xray,cleaners,everyone deserves our respect,people are clapping for every one of them,care home works included,something like 350 of them have died because they chose to go into work,a dangerous place to be,for all of us ,it is very disappointing to read that because it has calmed down a bit you don't think some staff are worth clapping for,watch the prog s filmed in hospitals during the last three months,educate yourself
 
I saw an Asian family on the news yesterday all out in the sun and they interviewed the young man probably in his early twenties and he said nobody was following the rules so why should he? I expect grandma and grandad Patel will be really proud of him when he pops round to see them next
 
Health authorities have provided a geographic breakdown showing where deaths occurred.

  • East of England - 25
  • London - 16
  • Midlands - 27
  • North East & Yorkshire - 12
  • North West - 23
  • South East - 15
  • South West - 3
  • Scotland - 24
  • Wales - 7
  • Northern Ireland - 3
You can see why the Midlands and the North don't appreciate being told by london they have to open schools
 
BlueAnorak said:
I'd love to know what the Scotish are doing to become the UK Covid-19 hotspot but there you go. While populated areas in England have rocketed up and stopped. Scotland just keeps going.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/coronavirus-uk-cases-deaths-world-map-live/
Is it simply the fact that the weather hasn't been as sunny and warm up there as it has South of the border.
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They’ve been declining here in Scotland the last 2-3 weeks. Just 113 new cases today and 21 deaths. Two weeks ago midweek daily figures were about 300 cases 70/80 deaths. ICU now at 50 from 200 and hospital about 1300 from around 2000.
 
blueparrot said:
They’ve been declining here in Scotland the last 2-3 weeks. Just 113 new cases today and 21 deaths. Two weeks ago midweek daily figures were about 300 cases 70/80 deaths. ICU now at 50 from 200 and hospital about 1300 from around 2000.
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Its central belt driven and always would be sadly with an increasingly unhealthy population with existing medical conditions coming back to haunt us.
 
karen7 said:
Doctors dont do home visits anymore,long before covid,she should have called for an ambulance,so because some staff are not busy due to patients not going to hospital you don't want to call for those in intensive units fighting to save patients,those unjust staff are still risking their lives keeping us safe,i know you don't value the nhs but come on,surgeries are open,they are being very careful to keep out people walking in,it is by appt only to keep it from being full of people close together
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So, serious question, if it's one patient at a time and there used to be 15 doctors working and now there's only 1. And they don't do home visits, then what are the 14 doing, do you think? And the 10 practice nurses? So 1 patient at a time and 25 medical staff. Genuinely puzzled.

And btw, I do value the NHS. I just don't worship it, nor think it is so perfect I have to swoon about it.
 
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So that's about 155 in hospitals for yesterday and the other 196 or so in other settings (ie care homes etc). The balance has shifted markedly. Remember nearly 900 died in England alone in hospital on the worst day (8 April).
 
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karen7 said:
Every single one in any job in the nhs are heros,staff at every level have been moved around to help save covid patients,every one that goes into running a hospital ,drs surgery etc has put their lives at risk for us,for you if you get covid and end up in intensive care,porters ,xray,cleaners,everyone deserves our respect,people are clapping for every one of them,care home works included,something like 350 of them have died because they chose to go into work,a dangerous place to be,for all of us ,it is very disappointing to read that because it has calmed down a bit you don't think some staff are worth clapping for,watch the prog s filmed in hospitals during the last three months,educate yourself
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Even the fat cat execs on nhs quangos, trousering way above the market rate for similar jobs, who are ideologically opposed to private healthcare and thus initially blocked offers of help from the private sector to source ppe, to help with testing etc should we line up like idiots and blindly clap them ? Should we really be clapping those people who wouldn’t respond to requests to help Chippy boy’s neighbour’s mum ? No fucking way in both cases.
 
Chippy_boy said:
So, serious question, if it's one patient at a time and there used to be 15 doctors working and now there's only 1. And they don't do home visits, then what are the 14 doing, do you think? And the 10 practice nurses? So 1 patient at a time and 25 medical staff. Genuinely puzzled.

And btw, I do value the NHS. I just don't worship it, nor think it is so perfect I have to swoon about it.
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They are working,where is this only one patient in at a time come from? Controlling how many are crowding a small waiting room and not having lots of people queing up to check in is about social distancing and infection control,if there are spare drs and nurses they are helping out in other areas of the nhs that needed staff,honestly have you been asleep for three months,if you can't swoon at the nhs efforts now you never will do
 
And, after repeated requests over the last couple of months, here is the government's own "science" on schools reopening:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...l-science-relaxing-school-closures-sage30.pdf

Notable it says:

"We must consider the role of testing in maintaining the health of school systems, and the
health of the nation. It is important to work tracing into the models where possible."

Again, such a shame we didn't have any other countries to look at for how we might track and trace and that we haven't had, say, ten weeks, to get this up and running.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I'd love to know what the Scotish are doing to become the UK Covid-19 hotspot but there you go. While populated areas in England have rocketed up and stopped. Scotland just keeps going.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/coronavirus-uk-cases-deaths-world-map-live/
Is it simply the fact that the weather hasn't been as sunny and warm up there as it has South of the border?
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Just guessing but I'd reckon its just to do with the virus arriving a bit later, ie the North of England is behind London and Scotland is behind the North of England, even regionally they reckon it arrived in the grampian (Aberdeen) area a bit later than the central belt. As I say, just a guess though.
 
karen7 said:
Health authorities have provided a geographic breakdown showing where deaths occurred.

  • East of England - 25
  • London - 16
  • Midlands - 27
  • North East & Yorkshire - 12
  • North West - 23
  • South East - 15
  • South West - 3
  • Scotland - 24
  • Wales - 7
  • Northern Ireland - 3
You can see why the Midlands and the North don't appreciate being told by london they have to open schools
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Everything's OK now the south have it under control. That's the way this country works, all the money is spent on London & the South East, they do let us work hard, earning money for the southern investors though, so it's OK.
 
blueinsa said:
Its central belt driven and always would be sadly with an increasingly unhealthy population with existing medical conditions coming back to haunt us.
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It was, speaking to my daughter last night they are down to 3 in icu , and 2 half full covid wards in her hospital, think lothian had about 20 new positive cases today, Glasgow about 40. So across the central belt seems to falling quite quickly too.
 
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