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I agree it's a positive thing particularly for people living alone. Communities are far too insular and this is one way even for five minutes or so they feel connected. It isn't doing any harm and if people don't want to do it they can stay indoors. It reminds me of the Poznan a few years ago. It looked great, was a laugh and got the atmosphere going. Then some miserable sods decided it wasn't cool anymore and it died out.

Its 100% a community thing for us now. This and the VE Day socially distanced front “garden” picnic have done more for our neighbourhood than anything else, Covid or no Covid. We’re already planning a post Covid party.

It’s one major positive form this period that should be ongoing for us.
 
Its 100% a community thing for us now. This and the VE Day socially distanced front “garden” picnic have done more for our neighbourhood than anything else, Covid or no Covid. We’re already planning a post Covid party.

It’s one major positive form this period that should be ongoing for us.

Hopefully people are a bit nicer and more community minded from now, though I fear it will fade away.
 
Me too! The guy next but one being a semi pro golfer in his sixties is going to be either dead or frustrated he isn’t swinging his clubs.

Odd isn't it? I know bits about their lives and them mine but not their names. One old boy in front of me is in his eighties I hope he is there next time we get to go to a game.
 
Baffles me more that you didn’t just phone an ambulance.
It wasn't me, it was my next door neighbour and I only found out about it after the event. She's 78 herself and presumably didn't want to waste precious resources - I don't know really. But yes I would have phone for an ambulance.
 
Off for a test at the Etihad this morning, been near my auntie via a family member (same household) who went walking with her (regular exercise with someone outside the household as per the new rules, kept our distance) and she's tested positive got the results back last night.

I'm almost certain I've had it back in March but need to be sure for my work.
 
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Off for a test at the Etihad this morning, been near my auntie (regular exercise with someone outside the household as per the new rules, kept our distance) and she's tested positive got the results back last night.

I'm almost certain I've had it back in March but need to be sure for my work.
Unless it’s an antibody test I don’t see the point, you go down without symptoms and the test comes back negative in 3 days but in that time period you could get it! Or the test comes back positive and you should’ve been isolating in that time but haven’t so possibly passed it on!
 
Off for a test at the Etihad this morning, been near my auntie (regular exercise with someone outside the household as per the new rules, kept our distance) and she's tested positive got the results back last night.

I'm almost certain I've had it back in March but need to be sure for my work.
Good luck hope your clear, I had a test last Saturday got the results Sunday impressed with the turn round time, did the track and tracers get you or was it something you sorted yourself?
 
Good luck hope your clear, I had a test last Saturday got the results Sunday impressed with the turn round time, did the track and tracers get you or was it something you sorted yourself?
Something we sorted ourselves. Yeah she got tested Thursday and found out last night, so the turnaround is really good.

My original message missed out that my auntie was walking with a family member in the same household (I was tired this morning). So my contact has been indirect but it makes sense to know we're safe.

Test was very uncomfortable but the staff there were great.
 
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Unless it’s an antibody test I don’t see the point, you go down without symptoms and the test comes back negative in 3 days but in that time period you could get it! Or the test comes back positive and you should’ve been isolating in that time but haven’t so possibly passed it on!

Better to know if I've got it asymptomatically before potentially passing it on to colleagues and other people.

Meant to say in my original message that it was family member from my household that went walking with her (was knackered writing that this morning), so although the contact is indirect, the potential is still there.

Under normal rules (no symptoms) I wouldn't have to isolate but this way the people I come into contact with are safe.
 
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I think that there's a problem in how immunity has been discussed.

We are assuming that if you have beaten off nCov you have produced antibodies to it, but what if you had it asymptomatically, or had a mild version? Perhaps the body's innate non-specific system is strong enough in many cases to resist infection. If that is the cases then these measurements of antibodies are actually massively understating the infection rate and they understate the population immunity.

In the UK the maximum levels of antibody prevalence are in London but they are at 17% according to the serological surveys. That's a long way from herd immunity but what if many other Londoners beat it off and never produced antibodies in doing so?

If you look at some of the case studies of hot-spots e.g. Germany, they derive infection fatality rates of around 0.25% (Heinsberg study derived 0.37% but authors believe it's overstated) which means you can derive a prevalence of the illness from a country's excess mortality. If you do that, you get a massive mis-match between antibody measurements and cases which makes me think that innate immunity plays a big part.

Obviously there is more to it than just immunity. R0 is also impacted by lockdowns, and seasonality.

Take this as a football fans comments on immunology and Covid19, but everybody must have an opinion on this matter as it influences so much of our lives.
 
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Something we sorted ourselves. Yeah she got tested Thursday and found out last night, so the turnaround is really good.

My original message missed out that my auntie was walking with a family member in the same household (I was tired this morning). So my contact has been indirect but it makes sense to know we're safe.

Test was very uncomfortable but the staff there were great.
Centre I went too was one of the army pop up ones drive thru but test self administered
 
It's a start. I just realised I don't know the name of any of the people I speak to at the match every other week, lol!

Lol... very true.. and after 5 years sat in the same seat next to the same people.. I ain’t gonna ask “oh by the way what’s your name?”
 
I think that there's a problem in how immunity has been discussed.

We are assuming that if you have beaten off nCov you have produced antibodies to it, but what if you had it asymptomatically, or had a mild version? Perhaps the body's innate non-specific system is strong enough in many cases to resist infection. If that is the cases then these measurements of antibodies are actually massively understating the infection rate and they understate the population immunity.

In the UK the maximum levels of antibody prevalence are in London but they are at 17% according to the serological surveys. That's a long way from herd immunity but what if many other Londoners beat it off and never produced antibodies in doing so?

If you look at some of the case studies of hot-spots e.g. Germany, they derive infection fatality rates of around 0.25% (Heinsberg study derived 0.37% but authors believe it's overstated) which means you can derive a prevalence of the illness from a country's excess mortality. If you do that, you get a massive mis-match between antibody measurements and cases which makes me think that innate immunity plays a big part.

Obviously there is more to it than just immunity. R0 is also impacted by lockdowns, and seasonality.

Take this as a football fans comments on immunology and Covid19, but everybody must have an opinion on this matter as it influences so much of our lives.
Yes there is a huge mismatch between fatality rates and antibody results. Either the virus is magically selective in who it infects or there is a missing factor somewhere. I'm beginning to doubt the sensitivity of the tests.
 
Two interesting incidents in Germany:

1) After 7 days without any new positive tests in Leer (Lower Saxony, close to the Dutch border),
at least 7 new cases after a "meeting" (I guess a party) in a Restaurant INDOORS,
50 people in quarantine, lots of tracking work to do, more test results to come in.

2) On May 10 after service in a INDOORS Baptist church in Frankfurt several new cases,
that church have canceled services now.

EDIT: more than 40 have been infected (fuck, how many have been there??),
mostly mild cases, 1 in hospital.

Winter indoor time will be tricky. I have no reason to believe the pandemic has left the planet by then.
We have to practice essential social behaviour to perfection
if we want to avoid a more difficult situation.
 
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Yes there is a huge mismatch between fatality rates and antibody results. Either the virus is magically selective in who it infects or there is a missing factor somewhere. I'm beginning to doubt the sensitivity of the tests.
One explanation is that the virus is quite mild and is fought off by healthy young individuals using existing immunity, these individuals are the asymptomatic cases and can’t be detected by the antibody test because they don’t need to develop antibodies to fight the virus off. This is why it has killed the frail and elderly who have compromised immune systems and left the young and healthy largely unaffected.
 
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