George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[I'm With Stupid]

I suppose America is the big bad bully that we all love to pretend isn't as important as it perceives itself to be yet here we are ...

It's happening in Denmark too https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/1200-danskere-paa-gaden-i-koebenhavn-efter-sort-amerikaners-doed

How many people have been shot by Danish police?

 

[SWP's back]

This whole thread. Terrifying. We're living in an increasingly angry, sad and divided world.

FREEDOM. MERCA.

 

[urban genie]

Why the hell would people in British cities protest about something that happened in America?

What happened to George Floyd, tragic though it was, is as relevant to us as all the hundreds of poor black kids in Rio de Janeiro who are shot dead by police every year. You will hear the same people bemoaning the influence of America on our capitalist system, culture, foreign policy, trade etc but there they are copying America when they feel the need to whinge about something.

Digressing slightly but I've never understood why so many people seem to so obsessed by American affairs in this country. Why, for example, were Sky News showing the Governor of New York's daily briefing live for weeks on end. What is the importance of it to us?

We are somewhat in some semi obsesive starte with america and it's affairs since WW2 and us owing them, and even more so since thatcher went full on special releationship with that **** regan
Plus it was the colony that got away when we were in our pomp and bothered the establishment, also every other western country was a major enemy of ours for centuries so with have some bizzare distrust of them all.


Personally I watch this in the intesrest I watch the events of any other nation, and laugh that trump can comment on the chinese actions in hong kong while this is going on.

The problem is the yanks are the one western nation that could nuke the world so it makes sense to be worried with it's fuckwittery and lack of attempt to grow up and stop acting like it is still the wild west.

The ongoing racist attitude that many of america is a disgrace and the place should be sanctioed and globally criticised like any other nation would for this behaviour.

It is understandable some in other countries would protest in solidarity though and expect it is happening in not just the UK

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Turns out 'outside agitators' was as much of a bullshit claim as when Liverpool fans use it.

 

[Vialli98]

How many people have been shot by Danish police?

I don't know, I don't follow Danish affairs. The news link was shared onto my social media feed. Anyway it's pretty clear they're not protesting Danish police and that they're outraged by the events in America.

 

[urban genie]

Not a watcher of apocalyptic ‘pandemic’ films or player of computer games, so perhaps someone can enlighten me. Do these films/games generally portray society spiralling downwards into riots and anarchy in a pandemic? If they do, is there a catalyst for these events, or do they merely follow on from the pandemic. Just trying to determine whether life in the US is imitating art.

Find it interesting that 1919, which came to be known as the Red Summer, saw a phenomenal amount of civil unrest and rioting across the country, though accounts of it tend to focus on other contributing factors and not the pandemic itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Summer

My first thought watching those coppers arresting the CNN reporter was it's a bit John Carpeenter and escape from New York.

 

[BigOscar]

Turns out 'outside agitators' was as much of a bullshit claim as when Liverpool fans use it.

I mean, is saying "not every single person" was from outside the state really the same as saying "none of them were" like you are claiming?

 

[Bigga]

Why the hell would people in British cities protest about something that happened in America?

What happened to George Floyd, tragic though it was, is as relevant to us as all the hundreds of poor black kids in Rio de Janeiro who are shot dead by police every year. You will hear the same people bemoaning the influence of America on our capitalist system, culture, foreign policy, trade etc but there they are copying America when they feel the need to whinge about something.

Digressing slightly but I've never understood why so many people seem to so obsessed by American affairs in this country. Why, for example, were Sky News showing the Governor of New York's daily briefing live for weeks on end. What is the importance of it to us?

America was borne from this country, really. So, it's a bit like watching your kid grow up to kick your arse, being bigger and stronger.

Also, since we're forced into a weird parental Oedipus-type relationship as we kill our own entrepreneurial endeavours to rely on the US, if they sneeze, we catch the cold. Our relationship is extremely complicated in more ways than one; thus why this country likes to support wronged allied citizens in protest.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Michael Anthony Adams
@MichaelAdams317
· 10h
Police just raided the gas station we were sheltering at. After shouting press multiple times and raising my press card in the air, I was thrown to the ground. Then another cop came up and peppered sprayed me in the face while I was being held down.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Clint Eastwood is 90 today ....he is going to spend the evening telling looters to get the hell off his lawn

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I mean, is saying "not every single person" was from outside the state really the same as saying "none of them were" like you are claiming?

What am I claiming?

I'm claiming that the mayor was lying, which he was.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Michael Anthony Adams
@MichaelAdams317
· 10h
Police just raided the gas station we were sheltering at. After shouting press multiple times and raising my press card in the air, I was thrown to the ground. Then another cop came up and peppered sprayed me in the face while I was being held down.

Go on Twitter and you will see multiple accounts like this that go well beyond just a written account. People are being shot at for merely reporting on it now.

 

[mexico1970]

No, I disagree, The current president has just expedited matters.

I'm going to post a clip by David Doel, who cites the brilliant Dr Cornel West as part of the clip. Dr West burns Obama, but not by name and both commentators show why this chaos is happening and how it got here.

I think it's worth the watch...

Had a watch of this video and what an eloquent bloke that fella is, the part where he mentions celebrity driven capitalism supporting what is in effect vacuous meaningless lives that strive just for wealth and things. I don't know what the solution is because I don't fully understand the American mindset I can only relate to how greed (He mentions aspirational middle classes of all colour) envelops people even though intrinsically they are good people at heart.

The problem in the USA is that sharing the wealth is seen as Communist, but what they have now are neatly sectioned off demographics by race, colour, earning potential, religious preferences they've split the nation and tore it apart.

Anyone and I mean anyone who doesn't look at that murder by that cop and see humanity going down the shitter isn't thinking right, it's a disgusting insight into the political will that that cop and his pals weren't dragged from their beds and slung in a cell straight away.

 

[BigOscar]

What am I claiming?

I'm claiming that the mayor was lying, which he was.

Saying something that turns out not to be correct isn't the same as lying. Lying is deliberate, if he was given bad information, as he says, then it's not lying.

 

[Bigga]

Michael Anthony Adams
@MichaelAdams317
· 10h
Police just raided the gas station we were sheltering at. After shouting press multiple times and raising my press card in the air, I was thrown to the ground. Then another cop came up and peppered sprayed me in the face while I was being held down.

I'd rather see evidence or confirmation of such things happening.

It, otherwise, smacks of a Brian Williams type report of being under gunfire in a helicopter, when none of that shit ever happened.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Saying something that turns out not to be correct isn't the same as lying. Lying is deliberate, if he was given bad information, as he says, then it's not lying.

I dunno, I'd say that proclaiming something that you couldn't possibly know that soon after the event because it suits your argument is lying too. But if you prefer, we could say that he presented a falsehood instead.

 

[Scottyboi]

I'd rather see evidence or confirmation of such things happening.

It. otherwise, smacks of a Brian Williams type report of being under gunfire in a helicopter, when none of that shit ever happened.

When Hilary Clinton said she was under sniper fire when she went Bosnia or where ever it was haha video came out of her walking across the runway fine.

 

[BigOscar]

I dunno, I'd say that proclaiming something that you couldn't possibly know that soon after the event because it suits your argument is lying too.

If you are briefed about something, then repeat what the "experts" told you, then it's not lying. I also feel as though finding out where the people you arrested are from isn't something impossible to know soon after the event tbh

 

[Daz_Blue]

I'd rather see evidence or confirmation of such things happening.

It, otherwise, smacks of a Brian Williams type report of being under gunfire in a helicopter, when none of that shit ever happened.

 

[Bigga]

When Hilary Clinton said she was under sniper fire when she went Bosnia or where ever it was haha video came out of her walking across the runway fine.

LOL!!

EXACTLY!! The opportunity to make shit up to earn 'stripes' is vast, in this climate!