Kalidou Koulibaly

the_tevez_wiggle said:
Apart from 2 years ago he was one of the most promising cbs in the world. Power, pace, composure, passing short and long, leadership, aerial power, intelligence. A couple of injuries set him back, a run of games free from injury and I reckon you are looking at a £50m cb. Plus hes still young and cheap. Look at bailey as well, super potential 2 years ago but struggling now. Maybe the clubs training is poor, maybe overplayed who knows but both were class prospects but stalled through injury.

I can see your comparison in his power, leadership and aerial ability, but his technical side and potential far exceed wes Morgan.
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The reason that Tah doesn't play is because his replacement Tapsoba is better. Same with Bailey, Moussa Diaby is keeping him out of the side.
 
Ezzy said:
Maybe it's meant to say that Kalidou is not this surefire, impossible to fail, world class for 3+ more years, must have defender?

Especially when he is 29? Played about 50% of available games because of injury and poor fitness.

Especially when the majority of our signings need 1 year to adapt to Pep's way of playing?

After all Kalidou has never played in the premier League, so why do you think he will hit the ground running like Laporte did?
When Laporte was 23 & at the top of his game when he joined?
Kalidou would be 29 and battled fitness issues all season long.
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So just to get this straight. Koulibaly who had 1 injury in the past 3 seasons has battled fitness, but Laporte, who missed 6 months with a massive ankle dislocation and leg break the season before joining us was at the top of his game?

I know you've posted 100 times in this thread and have gone demented at the idea of signing Koulibaly but this one is particularly odd on account of it not making any sense at all.

As to your other point, you said this 3 days ago, and I really clearly explained how Koulibaly's time under Mauricio Sarri was the closest education to playing Pep's football that you could get, and Laporte playing under Bielsa at Athletic was probably the reason he adapted so well.
 
domalino said:
So just to get this straight. Koulibaly who had 1 injury in the past 3 seasons has battled fitness, but Laporte, who missed 6 months with a massive ankle dislocation and leg break the season before joining us was at the top of his game?

I know you've posted 100 times in this thread and have gone demented at the idea of signing Koulibaly but this one is particularly odd on account of it not making any sense at all.

As to your other point, you said this 3 days ago, and I really clearly explained how Koulibaly's time under Mauricio Sarri was the closest education to playing Pep's football that you could get, and Laporte playing under Bielsa at Athletic was probably the reason he adapted so well.
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Koulibaly might have that Pep education. But how are you so sure he will make the seemless transition to another League like Laporte did? Especially when:

One was 23 and joined us on January 31st after starting in 19 of 21 La Liga games.

Meanwhile the other is 29 years old and only Played 90 minutes of Football since Dec 14th 2019, when he got injured in the 5th minute after bieng embarrassed:
 
Ezzy said:
Koulibaly might have that Pep education. But how are you so sure he will make the seemless transition to another League like Laporte did? Especially when:

One was 23 and joined us on January 31st after starting in 19 of 21 La Liga games.

Meanwhile the other is 29 years old and only Played 90 minutes of Football since Dec 14th 2019, when he got injured in the 5th minute after bieng embarrassed:
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You seem to be under the (bizarrely certain) impression that someone who has come from France to Belgium and then to Italy already, and played in 3 leagues and 50 odd international games would have a harder time moving to England than a kid who's spent his entire life within 50 miles of the bay of biscay and only played in 1 league.

Age and more experiences don't tend to make people struggle more when moving clubs.

But all of that is pretty irrelevent anyway because comparing him to Laporte is pointless, he should be compared to whoever else we might be considering buying to partner Laporte.

And the last thing is just another bizarre dig. He got injured in a game, Oh what a terrible, terrible player! How could we consider buying him!
 
domalino said:
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that someone who has come from France to Belgium and then to Italy already, and played in 3 leagues and 50 odd international games would have a harder time moving to England than a kid who's spent his entire life within 50 miles of the bay of biscay and only played in 1 league.

Age and more experiences don't tend to make people struggle more when moving clubs.
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But does that guarantee that he will hit the ground running in the premier League?

I am not saying age and experience makes people struggle more when moving clubs.
But IF they do not hit the ground running and the first season is spent trying to adapt... Then that's when they start having no rooms for errors.
 
Ezzy said:
But does that guarantee that he will hit the ground running in the premier League?

I am not saying age and experience makes people struggle more when moving clubs.
But IF they do not hit the ground running and the first season is spent trying to adapt... Then that's when they start having no rooms for errors.
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No player is guaranteed to hit the ground running, this entire line of thinking is completely meaningless.

There's no guarantee a young player comes good in the second year just because he's shit in his first year either.

You look at things to minimise risk. Someone with a lot of diverse experience, who's played exceptionally well in a similar system, who's a world class talent today, not "could be" in a few years, represents the lowest risk of failure.
 
domalino said:
No player is guaranteed to hit the ground running, this entire line of thinking is completely meaningless.
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And you think we are wise to go spend big on a 29 year old that has been injured since Dec 14th? And never played in England?
 
Ezzy said:
And you think we are wise to go spend big on a 29 year old that has been injured since Dec 14th? And never played in England?
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We sign players who have never played in England every year. We sign 28/29 year olds often. We sign players who've had injuries before.

Why would anyone think those disqualified him?

I know you have this football manager fantasy where we've already "100% signed" four 18 year olds, but it's all getting a bit odd.
 
domalino said:
Sorry, I'm really struggling with the stupidity here.

We sign players who have never played in England every year. We sign 28/29 year olds often. We sign players who've had injuries before.

I know you have this football manager fantasy where we've already "100% signed" four 18 year olds, but it's all getting a bit odd.
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Sorry but I'm really struggling with your "stupidity" here

2016
Nolito (29)

2017
Walker (27)
Danilo (26)

2018
Mahrez (27)

2019
All signings U25

2020
 
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domalino said:
You forgotten Bravo and Otamendi?
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Otamendi (27) was in 2015
Bravo (33) is a goalkeeper, I was listing the oldest outfield players signed since 2016.

2019
All Signings U25

2020
 
Ezzy said:
Otamendi was in 2015
Bravo (33) is a goalkeeper, I was listing the oldest outfield players signed since 2016.


2020
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Oh well if the MEN said it's true, we all better pack up!

In 2016 we had Pep arriving and building a team for the long haul. Now we have 12 or maybe 36 months left of Guardiola at the very most, and that's unlikely.

The process of building a young team is different to plugging experienced players into an already built, successful team.

We have 3 young potential prospects at CB in Tosin, Garcia and THB. We have a 26 year old Laporte as one half of the CB pairing who desperately needs a partner.

These are the situations in which you go out and buy experienced, already world class players, not some French Ligue 2 teenager who might be good enough in 2 years.
 
domalino said:
Oh well if the MEN said it's true, we all better pack up!

In 2016 we had Pep arriving and building a team for the long haul. Now we have 12 or maybe 36 months left of Guardiola at the very most, and that's unlikely.

The process of building a young team is different to plugging experienced players into an already built, successful team.
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Working with and helping young talent develop is a long-term process.

Gabriel Jesus: "Pep is very intense. The main thing you notice is his desire to win, he never drops it but is for our own good. And he likes to work with youngsters and help them develop, that was one of the reasons why I came."

But good thing Pep said, more than ever, he does not want to leave unless sacked.



But naah I think you're right, He will be looking for a new project in like 36 months Max. And as you say:

"These are the situations in which you go out and buy experienced, already world class players, not some French Ligue 2 teenager who might be good enough in 2 years"
 
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Ezzy said:
Working with and helping young talent develop is a long-term process.

Gabriel Jesus: "Pep is very intense. The main thing you notice is his desire to win, he never drops it but is for our own good. And he likes to work with youngsters and help them develop, that was one of the reasons why I came."

But good thing Pep said, more than ever, he does not want to leave unless sacked.



But naah I think you're right, He will be looking for a new project in like 36 months Max.
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Again, what are you trying to prove with this quote? Yeah Pep likes working with young players.

Didn't stop him signing 29 year old Nolito. Didn't stop him getting 33 year old Xabi Alonso, or 29 year old Vidal, or 28 year old Seydou Keita, 28 year old Ibrahimovic, 28 year old David Villa.

So why would it stop him signing Koulibaly?
 
domalino said:
Again, what are you trying to prove with this quote? Yeah Pep likes working with young players.

Didn't stop him signing 29 year old Nolito. Didn't stop him getting 33 year old Xabi Alonso, or 29 year old Vidal, or 28 year old Seydou Keita, 28 year old Ibrahimovic, 28 year old David Villa.

So why would it stop him signing Koulibaly?
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naah I think you're right, He will be looking for a new project in like 36 months Max. And as you say:

"These are the situations in which you go out and buy experienced, already world class players, not some French Ligue 2 teenager who might be good enough in 2 years"

As shown by his stellar record of him buying 4 players aged 26-29(3 of the 4 are U27) between summer 2016 and summer 2019.
 
domalino said:
I know this is the transfer forum and stupidity is the order of the day, but I really don't get posting this.

What's it supposed to say? Don't buy a world class defender because he made a mistake?

I guess we should never have gone near this bloke.



Van Dijk gifted Wolves a goal with an absolute howler this season. Guess he's shit too.
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I didn't say anything, just posted a video of the mighty +70m , 29 years old with no resale value.

Not against the player, he might be the best.

Just against the idea of spending huge amount of money on old players who are not considered as game changers.
 
Tevez City said:
I didn't say anything, just posted a video of the mighty +70m , 29 years old with no resale value.

Not against the player, he might be the best.

Just against the idea of spending huge amount of money on old players who are not considered as game changers.
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Sorry, who said a world class partner to Laporte wouldn't be a game changer?
 
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