Newman Noggs
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Great work 1894 group. Thanks.
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ninjamonkey
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The where were you when we were shit banner is very decent, keep that, the rest of it is absolute trash though and should be burned. Comes across as nothing but whinging fans playing the victim rather than pointing out UEFA’s hypocrisy and corruption.
We will get no support from anybody else from seeing that. The other anti-uefa banners we’ve seen across Europe don’t victimise themselves, they make it purely about UEFA and leave their own club out of it which allows every football fan regardless of rivalries to relate and support. whether others believe we’ve been wronged or not, we will get no support because football is tribal and nobody gives a shit about any other club other than their own. Wrong message entirely.
The problem is, the 1894 group have their own little niche group of likeminded decision makers, they can come up with an idea and within that little group they’ll all think its great because they’re friends and have similar thoughts. keeping it private until it’s unveiling means there’s nobody that isn’t their mate to give them an outside opinion. It’s not a criticism of them directly as I know some of them take criticism personally, it’s just how it is.Big commendable swing but a huge miss on this one unfortunately.
We will get no support from anybody else from seeing that. The other anti-uefa banners we’ve seen across Europe don’t victimise themselves, they make it purely about UEFA and leave their own club out of it which allows every football fan regardless of rivalries to relate and support. whether others believe we’ve been wronged or not, we will get no support because football is tribal and nobody gives a shit about any other club other than their own. Wrong message entirely.
The problem is, the 1894 group have their own little niche group of likeminded decision makers, they can come up with an idea and within that little group they’ll all think its great because they’re friends and have similar thoughts. keeping it private until it’s unveiling means there’s nobody that isn’t their mate to give them an outside opinion. It’s not a criticism of them directly as I know some of them take criticism personally, it’s just how it is.Big commendable swing but a huge miss on this one unfortunately.
cleavers
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@M18CTID was this made in time for the Real home game, and if so had the club agreed to let it be shown ?
If so, in a full stadium, with UEFA looking on, it would have been great and got the message over well, I'm not sure it does the same thing in the context in a park.
Either way, I applaud the efforts by all involved.
If so, in a full stadium, with UEFA looking on, it would have been great and got the message over well, I'm not sure it does the same thing in the context in a park.
Either way, I applaud the efforts by all involved.
hateutd
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...at least,1894 group,acting in some way...we all missed maine road,we all missed kippax... They try to bring back the old good football atmosphere,in those days... Well done lads
Scottyboi
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Looks good fair play everyone who helped.
Fame Monster
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Well done 1894 and everyone else involved.
M18CTID
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@M18CTID was this made in time for the Real home game, and if so had the club agreed to let it be shown ?
If so, in a full stadium, with UEFA looking on, it would have been great and got the message over well, I'm not sure it does the same thing in the context in a park.
Either way, I applaud the efforts by all involved.
Yeah, it was done in time for the original date of Madrid at home. The club weren’t party to it but they knew something was probably being planned (one look at 1894 Twitter or the thread on here would’ve told them that) so it would’ve been a case of getting it into the ground without being pulled.
trevorriley
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long morning, hard graft, worth every bit to stick it to UEFA.
thank you very much for all the positive comments on here, always makes it all worthwhile. It was difficult under the circumstances, at the time of design & plan we had no idea the lockdown would happen. To late to change designs once the game was cancelled at short notice.
There are some terrible negative comments on this thread, some even doubting our trust. For those who have doubts the large banner is 45m x 20m, below that one is 45m x 4m, the 2 smaller ones 12m x 1m. Have a look online if you have doubts over costings. Then you have 20 loyal blues all doing the work voluntarily for design / drone camera work / laying out today from 8am also on top of that hours and hours of pre organising since we started the donation fund raise.
It is disappointing to see negative comments, but the positive posts make every single bit of effort worth it and far outlay the bad posts. There are good comments coming from all over the place and other fan groups.
cheers
CTiD
thank you very much for all the positive comments on here, always makes it all worthwhile. It was difficult under the circumstances, at the time of design & plan we had no idea the lockdown would happen. To late to change designs once the game was cancelled at short notice.
There are some terrible negative comments on this thread, some even doubting our trust. For those who have doubts the large banner is 45m x 20m, below that one is 45m x 4m, the 2 smaller ones 12m x 1m. Have a look online if you have doubts over costings. Then you have 20 loyal blues all doing the work voluntarily for design / drone camera work / laying out today from 8am also on top of that hours and hours of pre organising since we started the donation fund raise.
It is disappointing to see negative comments, but the positive posts make every single bit of effort worth it and far outlay the bad posts. There are good comments coming from all over the place and other fan groups.
cheers
CTiD
thelongbowman
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nice one lads. thanks for doing this
Probably already been posted?
I will post my pictures later on Today.
One thought. No matter what the banner would have looked like, it wouldn’t have pleased *everyone*. The design of a banner, it’s appearance, and the message it conveys is subjective, and is open to personal opinion, good, bad or indifference.
In my opinion. Against Madrid, in a packed Etihad, with the atmosphere building before kick off, and with the banner hanging down from SSL2 to the front of SSL1, the banner would have looked great. The message would have be clear to everyone, including UEFA.
I will post my pictures later on Today.
One thought. No matter what the banner would have looked like, it wouldn’t have pleased *everyone*. The design of a banner, it’s appearance, and the message it conveys is subjective, and is open to personal opinion, good, bad or indifference.
In my opinion. Against Madrid, in a packed Etihad, with the atmosphere building before kick off, and with the banner hanging down from SSL2 to the front of SSL1, the banner would have looked great. The message would have be clear to everyone, including UEFA.
cleavers
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Thanks, that sounds like it might have been difficult to do, without them knowing the content.Yeah, it was done in time for the original date of Madrid at home. The club weren’t party to it but they knew something was probably being planned (one look at 1894 Twitter or the thread on here would’ve told them that) so it would’ve been a case of getting it into the ground without being pulled.
Pity it won't ever be seen by UEFA at a match.
M18CTID
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The where were you when we were shit banner is very decent, keep that, the rest of it is absolute trash though and should be burned. Comes across as nothing but whinging fans playing the victim rather than pointing out UEFA’s hypocrisy and corruption.
We will get no support from anybody else from seeing that. The other anti-uefa banners we’ve seen across Europe don’t victimise themselves, they make it purely about UEFA and leave their own club out of it which allows every football fan regardless of rivalries to relate and support. whether others believe we’ve been wronged or not, we will get no support because football is tribal and nobody gives a shit about any other club other than their own. Wrong message entirely.
The problem is, the 1894 group have their own little niche group of likeminded decision makers, they can come up with an idea and within that little group they’ll all think its great because they’re friends and have similar thoughts. keeping it private until it’s unveiling means there’s nobody that isn’t their mate to give them an outside opinion. It’s not a criticism of them directly as I know some of them take criticism personally, it’s just how it is.Big commendable swing but a huge miss on this one unfortunately.
Legia Warsaw display having a go at UEFA for fining the club - is that not victimisation? In these circumstances, what would be the point of a display that didn’t focus on all the shit thrown at us down the years? Wasn’t that the whole point of this?
Look - City aren’t liked by fans of loads of clubs due to the money, so whatever slant the display had taken would’ve seen bitter opposition fans pile in. On the one hand, they’re happy to call UEFA out for the corrupt twats they are but on the other they’re happy to blow smoke up UEFA’s arse for punishing the club without even bothering to do any research. That’s why Legia Warsaw fans get lauded for their anti-UEFA displays and City fans don’t.
cleavers
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Ignore them, some are genuine opinion obviously, but I'm sure others are just the usual internet trolls that infest everything these days, and we can all work out which ones they are.It is disappointing to see negative comments
1894 group have gone now it is a real heads gone moment for them. Embarrassing themselves and the club I am ashamed to be a city fan today.
City fans have this culture of us vs them at the moment if its not uefa its the FA then its the club get over it football is nothing with out fans they say fans like this we don’t need or want.Horse racing and snooker started up this week I have not spoken to one fan of either that said it is wrong and they are nothing without fans.
Ashamed to be a City fan today, wtf!
The where were you when we were shit banner is very decent, keep that, the rest of it is absolute trash though and should be burned. Comes across as nothing but whinging fans playing the victim rather than pointing out UEFA’s hypocrisy and corruption.
We will get no support from anybody else from seeing that. The other anti-uefa banners we’ve seen across Europe don’t victimise themselves, they make it purely about UEFA and leave their own club out of it which allows every football fan regardless of rivalries to relate and support. whether others believe we’ve been wronged or not, we will get no support because football is tribal and nobody gives a shit about any other club other than their own. Wrong message entirely.
The problem is, the 1894 group have their own little niche group of likeminded decision makers, they can come up with an idea and within that little group they’ll all think its great because they’re friends and have similar thoughts. keeping it private until it’s unveiling means there’s nobody that isn’t their mate to give them an outside opinion. It’s not a criticism of them directly as I know some of them take criticism personally, it’s just how it is.Big commendable swing but a huge miss on this one unfortunately.
We are the victims.
Victims of a vendetta by UEFA and their cartel clubs that has lasted 10 years.
If City get a ban from the CL for 2 seasons, please come back and gives us your thoughts, victims or not.
The where were you banner is class but the whole thing is just a bit embarrassing
The originality is decent but it looks far too messy and theres too much going on. The best banners you see across Europe are simple and to the point, this really isn't. Shame, idea is great but execution way way off. Bit cringe all round and for 8 grand an all
The originality is decent but it looks far too messy and theres too much going on. The best banners you see across Europe are simple and to the point, this really isn't. Shame, idea is great but execution way way off. Bit cringe all round and for 8 grand an all
Manchester33
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Disagree with a lot of this. As someone who’s been involved in this display I just want to make a few points:The where were you when we were shit banner is very decent, keep that, the rest of it is absolute trash though and should be burned. Comes across as nothing but whinging fans playing the victim rather than pointing out UEFA’s hypocrisy and corruption.
We will get no support from anybody else from seeing that. The other anti-uefa banners we’ve seen across Europe don’t victimise themselves, they make it purely about UEFA and leave their own club out of it which allows every football fan regardless of rivalries to relate and support. whether others believe we’ve been wronged or not, we will get no support because football is tribal and nobody gives a shit about any other club other than their own. Wrong message entirely.
The problem is, the 1894 group have their own little niche group of likeminded decision makers, they can come up with an idea and within that little group they’ll all think its great because they’re friends and have similar thoughts. keeping it private until it’s unveiling means there’s nobody that isn’t their mate to give them an outside opinion. It’s not a criticism of them directly as I know some of them take criticism personally, it’s just how it is.Big commendable swing but a huge miss on this one unfortunately.
- we are the victims, aren’t we? UEFA have gone above and beyond to ban us.
- we don’t want support from the likes of United (Gill), Liverpool (Parry) etc. They are the elite who we’re attacking. Clubs like Newcastle, Everton, West Ham, who are similar to us in not being ‘European elite’ will support this IMO.
- football is tribal at the best of times. We shouldn’t have to count on support from other fans regardless.
- you’re correct about small group of decision makers. But 1894 is an open group (free memberships available now). We’re always trying to get people involved, but few step up and become ‘decision makers’.
- we asked our entire list of members for their ideas, we used a few of them (hence different banners).
- one of the main parts of a display is the shock value and suspense - if everyone knows the display before it happens it takes away from it.
- The main display might not be your cup of tea, but in our defence, if that’s unfurled whilst millions are watching City v Madrid (with UEFA Representatives sat in view), it goes up another level. Out of anyone’s control though with lockdown so had to get it out before court hearing.
I know you’re post isn’t trying to be offensive or rude or anything, and I hope my reply doesn’t come across as touchy. I’m just trying to add a bit of context from the other side.
Manchester33
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The where were you banner is class but the whole thing is just a bit embarrassing
The originality is decent but it looks far too messy and theres too much going on. The best banners you see across Europe are simple and to the point, this really isn't. Shame, idea is great but execution way way off. Bit cringe all round and for 8 grand an all
with simplicity you miss out on all the numerous reasons why City fans dislike UEFA though.
Negative because its sh*t, immature and Embarrassing
It’s a piss take. UEFA are Muppets. If the ban is upheld, you, me and this forum will be in meltdown.
Out of interest, what would you have put on the banner?
bluwes
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1894 group have gone now it is a real heads gone moment for them. Embarrassing themselves and the club I am ashamed to be a city fan today.
City fans have this culture of us vs them at the moment if its not uefa its the FA then its the club get over it football is nothing with out fans they say fans like this we don’t need or want.Horse racing and snooker started up this week I have not spoken to one fan of either that said it is wrong and they are nothing without fans.
71 posts in 6 years and that’s the best you can come up with. I will never be ashamed to be a City fan.
You obviously find it easy.