Another new Brexit thread

[Saddleworth2]

A receptive audience would want to discuss fish farming finance and factories.

I'm quite content if the thread were left to those of us who think No Deal will be disastrous, without those who still have to remind us that they won, or don't really care about negotiations now as they've abdicated the whole thing to elected liars aka the Frost fan club, or see losing an argument as an insult and brilliant debating points as "snide", or think the EU is a white supremacists' wet dream.

Getting past the froth and pointless posts seems more difficult and I assume now it is just leavers' wrecking tactics.

Maybe it's time for Vic and Bob's sensible thread about Brexit negotiations.

So what is the answer for fish?

 

[west didsblue]

Not really. If you go onto profiles and have a gander at posting histories there are a couple that have not made a football related post for quite a while. Not for me to say they are obsessed, have mental issues, or would be better served by a politics form - that's for them to decide.

Or maybe it’s because there’s been no football for 3 months and some of us like to post before and after matches and fill in other time posting on this part of the forum.

 

[purplenose]

Not really. If you go onto profiles and have a gander at posting histories there are a couple that have not made a football related post for quite a while. Not for me to say they are obsessed, have mental issues, or would be better served by a politics form - that's for them to decide.

In the balance of interest and truth. There has been a marked downturn in football threads because just at the moment, most other than the footballing authorities and their TV pimps really thinks football has much importance just for now. There will come a time when once again it will have all being well.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Or maybe it’s because there’s been no football for 3 months and some of us like to post before and after matches and fill in other time posting on this part of the forum.

In the balance of interest and truth. There has been a marked downturn in football threads because just at the moment, most other than the footballing authorities and their TV pimps really thinks football has much importance just for now. There will come a time when once again it will have all being well.

Lol. No need to get defensive, I probably spend too much time spouting shit in here myself. When a poster has pages and pages of posts in this thread and maybe one or two other politics ones and literaly none in any city/football threads you have to wonder what's going on. You could say it's all blues together, but these same posters openly despise at least half of the folk they engage with.

 

[hilts]

So what is the answer for fish?

Mushy peas is a must with either thick gravy or curry sauce

And a barm

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Mushy peas is a must with either thick gravy or curry sauce

And a barm

I like plenty of salt and vinegar and actually a good splash of Worcestershire sauce on the chips or hp on the side.

 

[purplenose]

Lol. No need to get defensive, I probably spend too much time spouting shit in here myself. When a poster has pages and pages of posts in this thread and maybe one or two other politics ones and literaly none in any city/football threads you have to wonder what's going on. You could say it's all blues together, but these same posters openly despise at least half of the folk they engage with.

Not intentionally defensive mate.

You are absolutely correct when you call out the all blues together nonsense as it is very clear there is a deep loathing between factions on here. Sadly that is reflective of the country too. Very very dangerous times indeed and neither left or right have the remotest clue of reality.

 

[hilts]

I like plenty of salt and vinegar and actually a good splash of Worcestershire sauce on the chips or hp on the side.

Sorry Worcestershire sauce and hp? What kind of saucery is this? Away with you heathen:-)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Sorry Worcestershire sauce and hp? What kind of saucery is this? Away with you heaven:-)

Surely you mean heathen? Tis heaven though :-)

 

[hilts]

Surely you mean heathen? Tis heaven though :-)

You do a clever play on sorcery and sauce and then fuck up with heathen, have amended so luckily no one will ever know:-)

 

[meltonblue]

Which is a rather long winded way of saying you think that being European should give you easier access to come and live in the UK than you would extend to an African or Asian or anybody who wasn't a member of the European Union.

You are perfectly entitled to that view.

I am perfectly entitled to believe it is vile and discriminatory and has no place in a modern society.

Clearly I think the way I do (that a man's place of birth shouldn't give him better access to our country than another man who happened to be born in a different place) because I am a racist.

Clearly your belief that actually a man who is born "closer" to us absolutely should put him ahead of the African,Asian,Australian etc is because you're...not a racist.

Got it.

Your solution to that is to discriminate against everyone equally though and restrict freedom of movement for those that have it rather than argue the case for increasing it further to other countries? Bearing in mind that even with freedom of movement, there can still be controls in place.

 

[Chris in London]

That could turn out to be the most stupid post ever written in this thread. Well done...

that’s a very very very high bar

 

[Vic]

So what is the answer for fish?

42.

I'll trawl later but I'm sure I've posted enough to tempt debate if anyone wanted (beyond the "independent coastal state" trope).

 

[Chris in London]

Buttered new potatoes, asparagus tips and minted mange-touts, served with a properly chilled Sauvignon blanc

Fixed

 

[Vic]

Fish.

Not that I expect any engagement on the topic (or why farmers are cross) but I did link to a short clip (from 21 minutes):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000j4vj/politics-england-10052020

and summed up part of the problem with these posts

There is an assumption that having the European Court would never be to our advantage. If we had a dispute with another EU state, the EC could adjudicate. If we had a dispute with Iceland or Norway, it would be the EU versus Iceland or Norway. Now we will be on our own, parties to some international fishing agreements, and trying to be admitted to other local area agreements (all of which expect cooperation between coastal states over fish stocks but none of which have any mechanism of enforcement).

And while we get exclusive access to our waters, it's still not sure how we'd expand our fleet to exploit it (given the involvement of foreign owners and foreign crews in the existing fleet).

I'm not sure the Cornish fishermen are quite so keen on No Deal these days.

It's mainly the Scottish Fishermens Federation (representing the bigger players in the industry who own the quotas) who are shouting "no surrender" but even if they could expand the fleet it would be unlikely to be Scottish crews. A quarter of deckhands in 2015 were from the Philippines and a fifth of engineers in the fleet also Filipino. Workers from Latvia to Ghana also work on the boats. Some 28% of the offshore Scottish fisheries workforce is not Scottish.

At its worst, it would just mean foreign owners with foreign crews landing British fish at foreign ports (well, perhaps the worst would be losing the right to land the fish into foreign ports and having no market for the extra fish we could catch).

I did also say this:
"And (I'm really not sure how serious this is) there's evidence of fish moving north because of global warming. What if 'our fish' emigrate to Icelandic waters?"

I did get one sensible reply, "Given that there are increasing reports of more exotic species from warmer waters turning up off our cost that sort of movement is highly likely" but I forgot to point out that to get into UK waters from the south they'll be coming through EU waters...

 

[BlueHammer85]

Not intentionally defensive mate.

You are absolutely correct when you call out the all blues together nonsense as it is very clear there is a deep loathing between factions on here. Sadly that is reflective of the country too. Very very dangerous times indeed and neither left or right have the remotest clue of reality.

social media and internet platforms have intensified all this by 1000x

I’ve given up on mates and a couple family members for their vile views on things - I’m sure if it wasn’t for social media and just discussed round gatherings or in pub then everything would be so much calmer

 

[bluethrunthru]

"And (I'm really not sure how serious this is) there's evidence of fish moving north because of global warming. What if 'our fish' emigrate to Icelandic waters?"

But the important factor is we will still own the waters .......its like Blue Passports and "controlling our borders" when we could have done something about it all along its all about the symbolism - there is little or no intrinsic material value to a lot of it but its really about mentality. Anyway as the fish migrates its having no material effects on the nations diet as too few of us eat the fuckers all we will bee doing is harming yet another export market.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

But the important factor is we will still own the waters .......its like Blue Passports and "controlling our borders" when we could have done something about it all along its all about the symbolism - there is little or no intrinsic material value to a lot of it but its really about mentality. Anyway as the fish migrates its having no material effects on the nations diet as too few of us eat the fuckers all we will bee doing is harming yet another export market.

Yet another ill thought out part of the brexit 'plan'. How on earth are we going to ensure FoM for fish after brexit? Huge shoals will be queuing at the entrance to the English Channel (la manche) and we have not even considered the cross border infrastructure. At present fish can swim right the way round Ireland unimpeded, but after brexit they will have to either turn around off the coast of Belfast, or we will have to have a manned border in the Irish sea. None of this has been considered.

 

[purplenose]

social media and internet platforms have intensified all this by 1000x

I’ve given up on mates and a couple family members for their vile views on things - I’m sure if it wasn’t for social media and just discussed round gatherings or in pub then everything would be so much calmer

I am absolutely sure you are right. Social media was supposed to be a great step for free speech, it has turned into Frankensteins monster.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I am absolutely sure you are right. Social media was supposed to be a great step for free speech, it has turned into Frankensteins monster.

Facebook and Twitter are starting to take action against fake news being spread and incitement. Been a long time coming. But it’s a start