George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Metal Biker]

You’re comparing civil disorder here with murder and systemic racism there, and said “it’s equally disgraceful”. I disagree.

Assaulting innocent police officers for the actions of others based purely on the fact they are law enforcement, is not the same? What have UK police done to deserve such vitriol? Answer that.

Judging people based on who they are, not on their actual actions, isn't the same as to the message being made right now by people across the planet who want people to be treated as equals?

Yeah, right.

 

[Bigga]

You think racism is a problem over here ? FFS

I dunno, ask Raheem with those lovely Chelsea fans.

Ask the manager that took his team off the field due to chants from the crowd.

Ask the guys on the tram with the Chelsea fans.

I could be wrong, though...

 

[bluemc1]

As mentioned earlier, I think the violence against the police in London today is unacceptable and pretty damaging to the movement as a whole. Some people seem more outraged by that than what is happening in America though, which seems odd to me. It’s a completely different level of aggression being employed by the state over there.

when we see mayhem on the streets

You’re comparing civil disorder here with murder and systemic racism there, and said “it’s equally disgraceful”. I disagree.

Which systemic racism is there ?

 

[Proy]

As mentioned earlier, I think the violence against the police in London today is unacceptable and pretty damaging to the movement as a whole. Some people seem more outraged by that than what is happening in America though, which seems odd to me. It’s a completely different level of aggression being employed by the state over there.

You mean police forces respectively?

I agree there is no comparison. It’s a deep routed problem over there and I’ve never ever felt like that would be something which could happen here, let alone policed with such violence.

 

[bluemc1]

I dunno, ask Raheem with those lovely Chelsea fans.

Ask the manager that took his team off the field due to chants from the crowd.

Ask the guys on the tram with the Chelsea fans.

I could be wrong, though...

I mean as such that black people aren’t walking down the street with fear of being killed by police for no reason which is what the level of outrage over here seems to be on par with
This country has much much bigger problems than racist football chants

 

[purplenose]

Very rarely at the ground, mainly cos it was kicking off in the City centre

Well I will give you that, in them days the fact you would see fuck all of the match from the town centre was probably a blessing.

 

[Breadsnapper]

Not sure how wanting equality with and for your fellow man is selfish.

Nothing to do with wanting equality. All to do with an excuse for disorder.

 

[Metal Biker]

Just so nobody gets confused;

I stand by Black Lives Matter. Black lives DO matter, and I want justice for George Lloyd and a complete reform of US police protocal.

Those I do NOT stand by are the ACAB opportunists assaulting ANY police or law enforcement operatives, making this issue into something more than it isn't.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Just so nobody gets confused;

I stand by Black Lives Matter. Black lives DO matter, and I want justice for George Lloyd and a complete reform of US police protocal.

Those I do NOT stand by are the ACAB opportunists assaulting ANY police or law enforcement operatives, making this issue into something more than it isn't.

This. Just, this.

 

[purplenose]

Just because there are incidences of racist behaviour does not mean racism is alive and well in this country.

There is not a systemic negative attitude or action towards any group of people here.

In my lifetime the only thing I can see as being an alive and well negative drive towards a group of people was towards white working class people under the Thatcher govt when industries were closed down to run down certain towns in the North of England and Wales, causing purposeful deprivation for these people and places.

No ethnic community really suffers anymore than the white people within that very same community in this country. Anyone treated like dirt here comes from a multicultural area where all the people in that same area are treated the same.

Yes, there are racists, yes there are certain police stats that show in some ways there are slight causes for concern, but no ethnicity is treated like dirt.

People really really need to stop thinking it’s the same here, or even similar in any slight way, to what it is in the USA. It hasn’t been, it isn’t and it won’t be.

And many on the streets actually want it to be.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I am inclined to wonder where all the outrage is at police brutality in countries like China, where it’s far worse than the States.

 

[Fame Monster]

Some funny stuff on here re: Marches vs Pandemic.

People are marching so that millions (billions?) of people will STOP being seen as sub-white, and in some cases, sub-human, while others are complaining that they’re not social distancing to stop the threat of a disease that might kill someone.

I would politely stare that the chronic, persistent, systematic undermining, often deadly, actions of whites against blacks ESP IN AMERICA is slightly more important to an entire race, possibly ALL RACES, right now.

Britain will survive COVID-19, but the systemic racism that pervades society is a slow and silent killer of lives and minds every single day for millions (billions?) of people.

And, many of the peaceful protestors are even wearing masks!

Maybe that's the case in America but the idea that black people are widely seen as sub-white or sub-human is just not the case here.

We have thousands of laws banning discrimination against ethnic minorities, and white people who express anti-black prejudice normally face far harsher sentences than ethnic minorities who express anti-white views.

In many ways, we are systemically anti-racist and while you can pick and choose outcomes in the criminal justice system to dispute that, there are plenty of examples where white people face worse outcomes, specifically when it comes to the original point of the US protests - police brutality.

While I'm sure there's still areas for improvement, I'd argue we're one of the most anti-racist countries in the world so to behave the way the protesters have done today by breaking the lockdown, vandalising war memorials, and abusing the police is a fucking outrage and those responsible should be held accountable.

 

[Ric]

oh give over killing George was wrong and disgraceful by the US police but what the actual fuck has it got to do with the uk position

you're making me embarrassed of our multi cultural society and our football club who have always been welcoming of all.

you clearly never watched city when Roger Palmer was playing .

this is a football forum not a left wing communist club that you want

1) He was saying that what happened in London today was “equally as disgraceful” as what is happening in America. I politely disagreed. Not sure why that has angered you so much.
2) You’re far too easily embarrassed.
3) No. I was three years old when he left the club.
4) Fucking hell mate.

 

[purplenose]

Every single one of those rioters should be locked up.

Or better still, stick them all on a wee island with their EDL counterparts and they can covid the fuck out of each other until their heart is content. Ferral scumbags.

Post of the day by a mile.

 

[Corky]

Nothing to do with wanting equality. All to do with an excuse for disorder.

They have done their cause no good, I am a socialist but would have more police there dishing out fines as they are a disgrace. There are far worse regimes than in the USA, but people take no interest in them as they don't make the television and films that the USA do.

I'm not sure what measures are expected in this country with equality and diversity paramount in all parts of the public sector for the last 20 years, and even 'unconscious bias' being clamped down on in the last 6 years.

 

[Proy]

The message is now lost. That’s pretty much the top and bottom of it.

It’s become something I don’t recognise. It’s just violence. He said. She said. It’s his fault. It’s her fault. So let’s all fight about it. Blame the PM. Blame the police force. Spread vitriol and videos on social media that entirely lack context.

And the issue now has become black vs white. And that is because the message has got lost. Everybody agrees that what happened to GF is a situation which should never ever occur. But now this whole race debate has popped up its head and it’s become a bitching contest and neither side is wrong but both sides are doing all the wrong things to prove a point.

Its fucking pointless. This will prove absolutely nothing.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

The outrage appears to be selective.

... and contrived.

 

[BlueAnorak]

You’re comparing civil disorder here with murder and systemic racism there, and said “it’s equally disgraceful”. I disagree.

Undoubtably people will die as a result of today's protests in London causing more Covid-19 cases and deaths. I am very angry.

 

[Petethemancinleeds]

The pricks at the end of these events tend to be the biggest wasters of all and once again distract from a clear and largely peaceful message . Like most ordinary folk in lockdown my emotions are all over the place and now the image of a panicked horse replaces for now serious ones of USA police brutality. Big own goal .

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

1) He was saying that what happened in London today was “equally as disgraceful” as what is happening in America. I politely disagreed. Not sure why that has angered you so much.
2) You’re far too easily embarrassed.
3) No. I was three years old when he left the club.
4) Fucking hell mate.

Being a bigger blue then you, I saw Roger Palmer play for City.