Chris in London
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my point precisely
Keir Starmer
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my point precisely
It's not just any other manner of labour people though. It's other MPs in general. You can put Jenrick in the same bracket as Kinnock.
I agree it’s anyone who breaks rules whatever side
MillionMilesAway
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Ouch, can't remember what he did again.
No wonder Starmer was unimpressed by the misleading reply.
George Hannah
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Dalek lol
Rascal
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Do you realise Starmer has no power to sack Gardiner, only his electorate can by using the power of recall to vote him out, which I think they should do, because he has been a clown.
Nobody voted for Cummings, so he can be sacked, should be sacked but hasn't been. It makes an absolute mockery of one of the central tenets of the argument against the EU , in that the UK should not be at the beck and call of unelected bureaucrats, if Johnson cant see that he really is fucking thick
Ancient Citizen
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He sounds like a cross between George Formby and Alan Carr.
Rascal
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I see Mr Forensic Woodenhead took money from some very questionable sources to help pay for his Labour Leadership bid.
Mr F Woodenhead previously gave the excuse that any large donations to his leadership campaign were already public record, in compliance with parliamentary rules.
But a handy loophole allows MPs with deep personal pockets to delay accepting donations, self-finance their own campaigns, then reimburse themselves later on. This means Starmer could wait up to 58 days before officially registering any large donations: well after the election was over.
Under Labour’s internal rules, meanwhile, Starmer faced no obligation to publish this information until early June, with a donations cap of around half a million pounds, excluding costs on staff and premises.
And who footed the bill? One of the most generous backers was media mogul and ASOS chair Waheed Alli, who threw in £100,000.
Alli is a close friend of Tony Blair (who gave him a peerage in 1998), Alli had formerly donated to Liz Kendall in 2015, and to Angela Eagle when she challenged Corbyn’s leadership in 2016. He was also among the 64 Labour peers who signed a venomous advert in the Guardian accusing Corbyn of “allowing antisemitism to grow in our party”.
The hedge fund manager Martin Taylor chipped in £95,000. Taylor suspended his regular six-figure donations to the party during the Corbyn years. And he made headlines for funding Blairite groupings Labour Together, Saving Labour and Labour Tomorrow in an attempt to bring the leader down.
Clive Hollick - best known for co-founding the Institute for Public Policy Research, a Blairite think tank - gave £50,000. This comes on top of previous funding for both Kendall and then Owen Smith, during the 2016 post-chicken-coup leadership race.
Another £50,000 came from Trevor Chinn, a pro-Israel lobbyist and executive committee member of the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre. The campaign wing of this organisation is directed by the virulently anti-Corbyn Luke Akehurst – infamous for his social media tirades against left wingers.
Chinn also gave £60,000 to Tom Watson when he was the leader of the Blairite fifth column within Labour. And he put £25,000 down on Smith’s disastrous leadership challenge.
Betting shop magnate and long time Blairite financier Peter Coates also staked £25,000 on Starmer. Coates announced in 2016 that he would no longer finance a Corbyn-led Labour Party. Instead, he stated that he would focus on “direct personal donations to fund the work of [MPs] whose centrist views are more aligned to his own”.
AA Finance Director and Progress member Martin Clarke donated £25,000 to Starmer’s campaign. Clarke was previously one of the main architects of the ‘centre-ground’ party, Change UK. The Starmer-supporting unions UNISON, Community and USDAW contributed about £80,000 collectively. All three have right-wing leaderships. The only other big donation that Starmer disclosed in a timely manner was £100,000 from fellow lawyer and Holborn & St. Pancras CLP member Bob Latham.
The remaining list of substantial donors - ranging from a few grand to tens of thousands of pounds - include the Managing Director of the Canary Wharf Group; the boss of a major pensions and investment firm; and a private energy company.
In sum, eight wealthy people contributed a total of £455,000 to Starmer’s war chest, out of a total declared of £536,000
Its no wonder that there is a purge of Labour party left wingers on the go as the party has wealthy backers now and no longer needs the mass membership subs that accrued under Corbyn. Labour members are leaving in droves but the party will be friendly to the corporate establishment no doubt. Its no wonder the RW media have been fawning over Starmer, if he wins he is no threat to the capitalist hegemony, the purge of any left wingers that are left in the party will gather pace with the choice of the Blairite David Evans as Gen Sec of the party and i have absolutely no doubt that any inquiry into the dreadful behaviour of the staff at party HQ will be swept under the carpet.
It sickens me that a handful of centrist cunts can have so much power in the party i have grown up with and loved all my life , i am appalled that these centrists helped enable the worst government in living memory through their actions and they will never be even be disciplined never mind sacked from the party.
Its no wonder Starmer has been missing in action the last few weeks as he cant afford to upset his wealthy backers and all this at a time when we need a real Labour party fighting for the working class, instead he cosys up to Johnson and will I am certain be seeking the support of the FBFE fruitcakes in order to stop Brexit and we have the unedifying sight of Reynolds the shadow DWP sec, already questioning the validity of the welfare state in Politics home, which is basically an online platform for the Tory party.
The left has been neutered and the establishment will breathe a huge sigh of relief and champagne corks will pop safe in the knowledge that they have succeeded in getting rid of their bogeyman and putting their own man in charge of the labour party.
The party is fucked and the person who is laughing the most is the most inept PM in our countries history, he knows he is untouchable and can do whatever the fuck he likes because the lickspittles will let him.
Mr F Woodenhead previously gave the excuse that any large donations to his leadership campaign were already public record, in compliance with parliamentary rules.
But a handy loophole allows MPs with deep personal pockets to delay accepting donations, self-finance their own campaigns, then reimburse themselves later on. This means Starmer could wait up to 58 days before officially registering any large donations: well after the election was over.
Under Labour’s internal rules, meanwhile, Starmer faced no obligation to publish this information until early June, with a donations cap of around half a million pounds, excluding costs on staff and premises.
And who footed the bill? One of the most generous backers was media mogul and ASOS chair Waheed Alli, who threw in £100,000.
Alli is a close friend of Tony Blair (who gave him a peerage in 1998), Alli had formerly donated to Liz Kendall in 2015, and to Angela Eagle when she challenged Corbyn’s leadership in 2016. He was also among the 64 Labour peers who signed a venomous advert in the Guardian accusing Corbyn of “allowing antisemitism to grow in our party”.
The hedge fund manager Martin Taylor chipped in £95,000. Taylor suspended his regular six-figure donations to the party during the Corbyn years. And he made headlines for funding Blairite groupings Labour Together, Saving Labour and Labour Tomorrow in an attempt to bring the leader down.
Clive Hollick - best known for co-founding the Institute for Public Policy Research, a Blairite think tank - gave £50,000. This comes on top of previous funding for both Kendall and then Owen Smith, during the 2016 post-chicken-coup leadership race.
Another £50,000 came from Trevor Chinn, a pro-Israel lobbyist and executive committee member of the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre. The campaign wing of this organisation is directed by the virulently anti-Corbyn Luke Akehurst – infamous for his social media tirades against left wingers.
Chinn also gave £60,000 to Tom Watson when he was the leader of the Blairite fifth column within Labour. And he put £25,000 down on Smith’s disastrous leadership challenge.
Betting shop magnate and long time Blairite financier Peter Coates also staked £25,000 on Starmer. Coates announced in 2016 that he would no longer finance a Corbyn-led Labour Party. Instead, he stated that he would focus on “direct personal donations to fund the work of [MPs] whose centrist views are more aligned to his own”.
AA Finance Director and Progress member Martin Clarke donated £25,000 to Starmer’s campaign. Clarke was previously one of the main architects of the ‘centre-ground’ party, Change UK. The Starmer-supporting unions UNISON, Community and USDAW contributed about £80,000 collectively. All three have right-wing leaderships. The only other big donation that Starmer disclosed in a timely manner was £100,000 from fellow lawyer and Holborn & St. Pancras CLP member Bob Latham.
The remaining list of substantial donors - ranging from a few grand to tens of thousands of pounds - include the Managing Director of the Canary Wharf Group; the boss of a major pensions and investment firm; and a private energy company.
In sum, eight wealthy people contributed a total of £455,000 to Starmer’s war chest, out of a total declared of £536,000
Its no wonder that there is a purge of Labour party left wingers on the go as the party has wealthy backers now and no longer needs the mass membership subs that accrued under Corbyn. Labour members are leaving in droves but the party will be friendly to the corporate establishment no doubt. Its no wonder the RW media have been fawning over Starmer, if he wins he is no threat to the capitalist hegemony, the purge of any left wingers that are left in the party will gather pace with the choice of the Blairite David Evans as Gen Sec of the party and i have absolutely no doubt that any inquiry into the dreadful behaviour of the staff at party HQ will be swept under the carpet.
It sickens me that a handful of centrist cunts can have so much power in the party i have grown up with and loved all my life , i am appalled that these centrists helped enable the worst government in living memory through their actions and they will never be even be disciplined never mind sacked from the party.
Its no wonder Starmer has been missing in action the last few weeks as he cant afford to upset his wealthy backers and all this at a time when we need a real Labour party fighting for the working class, instead he cosys up to Johnson and will I am certain be seeking the support of the FBFE fruitcakes in order to stop Brexit and we have the unedifying sight of Reynolds the shadow DWP sec, already questioning the validity of the welfare state in Politics home, which is basically an online platform for the Tory party.
The left has been neutered and the establishment will breathe a huge sigh of relief and champagne corks will pop safe in the knowledge that they have succeeded in getting rid of their bogeyman and putting their own man in charge of the labour party.
The party is fucked and the person who is laughing the most is the most inept PM in our countries history, he knows he is untouchable and can do whatever the fuck he likes because the lickspittles will let him.
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese
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Back to voting for the same shit in a range of different colours :-)
Rascal
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I am afraid so. You can vote for a Tory with a blue rosette or a Tory with a red rosette. The rich can allow the Plebs a vote safe in the knowledge that nothing will change whatever the outcome and the money will keep on rolling in to those Cayman Island bank accounts.
Sacrifices have to be made to keep the rich wealthy and by now I think we have all grown accustomed to it, that is how it works and anybody who tries to change that will just be attacked non stop by their agents and proxies because Capitalism is God..
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Yet its the electorate that will decide and in the above case, the Labour membership and i dont think they where influenced by corporate money or right wing media mate unless you know different?
Like Militant, Momentum is equally as fringe to the vast majority of the electorate in this country and they see it as a small group of people who rather than wanting genuine change in life for all, would rather spend each day fighting battles often invented in their own heads and flat out hating and blaming Tories for everything and it just will never work or be believed.
I am 50 next, have lived through numerous governments and times but i have never seen such anger and hatred in our politics as i see today and its a huge turn off im afraid.
Stop telling everyone how shit things are and focus on what real change can offer is my best advise and drop the constant hatred. That isnt aimed at you personally but it is aimed at the left who want an end to Tory rule because like it or not, the vast majority in this country live quite well and dont recognise the picture being painted. They dont need their hands holding to cross the road or to be told daily how everything is some rich Tory cunts fault. They need convincing on policy.
Nice of the labour shadow transport minister to ignore Sophie ridge question re protesters ignoring social distancing
Somehow managed to criticise mps in parliament this week
Obvious why your not in power, call it for what it is
Why do they have to divert every question to the same point....
It’s the Tory’s fault
Weak pathetic opposition. Had this for over a decade now
Party of protest, nothing else
Somehow managed to criticise mps in parliament this week
Obvious why your not in power, call it for what it is
Why do they have to divert every question to the same point....
It’s the Tory’s fault
Weak pathetic opposition. Had this for over a decade now
Party of protest, nothing else
The problem is this
Labour have no one who can act as a leader.
Tony Blair came along and inspired a generation with hope when it was badly needed , yet now they call him a Tory and hate him
Aside from Iraq (which I take is a huge issue) he did a lot of good
If they learned from Blair’s legacy rather than denounce it then they may have half a chance
Starmer to me looks a great number 2
But not a leader
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blueinsa
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Rascal nails Starmer by saying he will become a pro EU/rejoin man and take the party down that route and at that point its a no from me im afraid.
What if they do recognise the picture being painted but don't care because they live quite well?
There will be a lot of people who suddenly realise anyone is only a redundancy or illness from living on the street.
Watch Sitting in Limbo tomorrow evening (8.30 BBC1) and get an inkling of why it's easy to hate a Tory government.
After ten years of blaming the previous labour government for everything....
Ancient Citizen
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If he does, a mere 10 years or so out of govt will seem like 5 minutes, they'll never get in.
You believe Rascal? He doesn't share the relief among most Labour members (including many who would be to the left of most of Momentum) to get the party back. I've sat through the party within a party stuff in CLP meetings and heard some nonsense without responding - until one guy said we should just follow the leader no matter what he said. Now that's fascism of the left.