George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Tim of the Oak said:
So the rioters resorted to trying to cripple police horses. When a Newcastle thug punched a police horse he was rightly hammered on here and in the media, so it would be good to see more of rhe people supporting these marches condemn these scum.
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out of crowds of tens of thousands there were about 6 arrests. One police horse bolted and the rider fell off after hitting traffic lights.
i saw footage yesterday of a gang of 5 or 6 kids throwing stones and cones towards downing street.
Yes, the tiny, tiny handfull of people on yesterdays marches that wanted to use it as cover for a bit of robbing or to look big with their mates could be described as 'rioters' but to use that to discredit a very large and very peaceful march seems a bit hysterical too me.
The propaganda on the front of todays mail on sunday does nothing to help us get an accurate picture of the events.
 
purplenose said:
The final bit I do have to disagree.
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About farage and Johnson?

Fair enough, I suppose it could be argued thay are people that use race as a tool for political advancement, much like trump who in reality probably hates everybody (except his daughter)
 
I'm With Stupid said:
The problem is that that's not how protests usually work. They're very time dependent and rely on having a groundswell of public opinion at a particular time. The civil rights movement wouldn't have happened if they tried to arrange a protest 3 months after Rosa Parks got arrested. Obviously the UK is piggybacking on the American one, but it is addressing domestic issues too. But yeah, it's unfortunate that such a thing is happening in the middle of a pandemic, but it's also a far more understandable social gathering than the thousands of people going to the beach because it was a sunny day.
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I do take your point and fucking despair at some of the idiocy seen over this pandemic separate from any protests.

We are in very different times hence the mainly negative impact of these protests, but such is the nature of this I truly do not think it will go away quickly and if done with some thought can gain huge support in safer times.
 
urban genie said:
About farage and Johnson?

Fair enough, I suppose it could be argued thay are people that use race as a tool for political advancement, much like trump who in reality probably hates everybody (except his daughter)
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I think that covers it mate, I honestly dont think either are racists, I could list many many things I am non to keen on or impressed by about both but racists not in my book, idiots definately.
 
urban genie said:
In my belief white, black, asian should not be divided but united, and supporting BLM, it isn't maginalising white people who are treated badly in society but saying we should be standing together in solidarity and together we can chamge this country for the better.
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It does marginalise poor white people though, because that's how they feel when someone tells them they are wrong because they are white, bud this is about the Tories and Brexit, it shown what it was yesterday.

Do you know what really irks people more than being ignored? Being told that they are a racist because they don't want to support something they don't believe in.
 
Bigga said:
Can you give me the lottery numbers for next month, please?

Thanks.

How do you know that any of those people pick up COVID the next day AFTER attending the protest? You don't.

What a stupid leap of thought!
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Do you enjoy life in cloud cuckoo land?
See Cheltenham Festival, Liverpool v Atletico Madrid, United v City for details.
 
Bigga said:
My attitude is:

It's unfortunate with the timing of events, but I understand that people want to make themselves heard AT THE TIME.

Once the moment has gone, it's gone. Therefore you'll be waiting for the next murder in order to say 'enough!'.

Like I've said before, I'd have gone myself were it not for my wife's vulnerable condition.
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It seems in the USA protesting has little effect than to give police carte blanched to wade in and batter people. Every mass shooting seems to disappear from minds after a few weeks and every black person falsely brutalised or killed is just another name after a while. Unfortunately it seems to be part of that countries dna and I cannot see anything changing anytime soon
 
Nellies left peg said:
It seems in the USA protesting has little effect than to give police carte blanched to wade in and batter people. Every mass shooting seems to disappear from minds after a few weeks and every black person falsely brutalised or killed is just another name after a while. Unfortunately it seems to be part of that countries dna and I cannot see anything changing anytime soon
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Interesting.

So, the brutal police reaction hasn't served shine a light on the system they serve under?

There are none so blind...
 
Picture a little black lid in Africa. He can't read he can't watch tv because there is no electricity for miles. He cannot even drink clean water as it from a pool where animals shit and piss. The Army control the civilian population with guns and by raping his mother and sister. Every day is a struggle just to exist.
He has no knowledge let alone understanding of why well off people are causing damage and looting and shouting 'black lives matter' because it seems to him his young life doesn't matter. He would love to have the lifestyle these people are complaining about.
Rinse and repeat. Its not just Africa its the world over.
When l turn the pages on Blue Moon l see adverts asking for support of poor and sick Yemeni children. I wonder if these ads even get noticed.
 
Bigga said:
Interesting.

So, the brutal police reaction hasn't served shine a light on the system they serve under?

There are none so blind...
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Course it has to civilised individuals like yourself but how long has it been like it in the states and how many protests have there been for the authorities there to do the sum total of fuck all about it? I was just saying that I can't see change anytime soon
 
mexico1970 said:
It's because he's a Tory, race is weaponised by idiots like Abbott and Biden but it's OK because they are not tories. He got an 80 seat majority he didn't slip over the line like a thief in the night.

These riots have more to do with anti-Tory and anti-Brexit than is being let on, and it's becoming more evident.
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Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwnn!!
 
mexico1970 said:
It does marginalise poor white people though, because that's how they feel when someone tells them they are wrong because they are white, bud this is about the Tories and Brexit, it shown what it was yesterday.

Do you know what really irks people more than being ignored? Being told that they are a racist because they don't want to support something they don't believe in.
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Trust me as a left winger who get's involved in many protests I know some of the stupidity of those that say if you don't protest or show support it automatically means you are catagorised as strongly in support of the opposite

I don't think those not interested or opposed to the protests are by default racist, but you will be told that you are being called that and it will mainly be by those that want to divide the poor, the marginalised and all ethnicities, not these protesters.

That is why I think no matter creed, colour etc we should all stand together as one society and the BLM protest are inclusive of all races not exclusive
 
Black lives matter, but not enough to maintain social distancing it seems. 13 black people have died in UK police custody in the last 10 years, while 40000 people have died from covid in the last few months - a disproportionate ammount of which were BAME. Based on this data I'd say the BLM protesters breaking social distancing are clueless fuckwits, who will indirectly kill more black people than generations of UK policemen ever will.
 
stonerblue said:
out of crowds of tens of thousands there were about 6 arrests. One police horse bolted and the rider fell off after hitting traffic lights.
i saw footage yesterday of a gang of 5 or 6 kids throwing stones and cones towards downing street.
Yes, the tiny, tiny handfull of people on yesterdays marches that wanted to use it as cover for a bit of robbing or to look big with their mates could be described as 'rioters' but to use that to discredit a very large and very peaceful march seems a bit hysterical too me.
The propaganda on the front of todays mail on sunday does nothing to help us get an accurate picture of the events.
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I don’t get the Mail on Sunday so
I wouldn’t know. Just like you haven’t seen the gang launching middles at police horses.

There would have been a lot of good people at the march but there was more than a handful wanting a riot. It’s a shame that a lot of good people are undermined by this behaviour. If it was an even number of cops and protestors exchanging blows I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid but it clearly wasn’t .
since when was the number of arrests a good indicator of the scale of trouble. Some of the worst football violence I’ve seen the coppers didn’t get a chance to arrest anyone. I won’t mention those “upstanding” Merseyside police either!!
 
urban genie said:
That is why I think no matter creed, colour etc we should all stand together as one society and the BLM protest are inclusive of all races not exclusive
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Violence put to one side I understand the anger in the US and something needs doing about it, when a cop can just murder someone on film and not be instantly arrested is an abomination to every American.
 
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