George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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When people say BLM, they are't trying to position black lives above everyone elses', they're demanding that black lives are given equal value by police, and the media, and the government. Because currently they aren't.

Responding to BLM with All Lives Matter is like a fat fuck complaining that people campaign to give food to starving children in Africa, because "All people get hungry".

You ain't starving. If you're white, you don't need to protest about your life mattering because the entire world already treats you like it does.


This is incredibly obvious to 90% of people immediately, and most of the other 10% pick it up within a few minutes of reading the coverage of the protest.

So now, 13 days into this wave of protests, an about 8 years into the BLM movement, you should know that the majority of people wailing on about "all lives matter" are racists who are trying to delegitimise or derail the movement.

So don't throw yourself in with them. It's not a crowd to be associated with.

Im fully aware of what the campaign stands for and means. I don’t need to be schooled in it. But thanks anyway.

I’ll go back to what I said. All lives matter.

This whole 20 page debate I have been engaged in has been about a man who was killed because he ‘was black’.

All I am trying to do is remove that particular point by putting emphasis on all lives matter, and that this murder wasn’t race related. The corrupt cop would have killed him if he was white.
 
What families and what should we do about it?


The quick answer is most families in positions of power in Britain.

In Victorian Britain one quarter of the wealth of families in the country had been made from slavery.

These families made millions from the ending of slavery. University College London has an archive which shows where the money went. David Cameron’s family got the equivalent of £3M today. His comfortable life was a direct result of the pain of human beings worked to death. His children will continue to enjoy the blood-money.
 
Plenty of people disagree with me on here on a daily basis. It’s absolutely fine, of course. You must’ve noticed that no-one seems to be agreeing with you on this though? Don’t know if you’re just woefully out of touch with public sentiment, or if you’re just being contrary for the sake of it, but either way I maintain that it’s a pretty odd take.

Fully aware that nobody agrees. But I’m okay in my own skin and will happily take that one on the chin.

It doesn’t make my point of view any less valid and the consensus on a forum will never bother me.

The circles I move in have generally been on board with me today.

Actually talking to human beings face to face gives me an accurate reflection.

I take what I see on social media, twitter and the like, with a pinch of salt.

I view these boards in very much the same light.
 
When people say BLM, they are't trying to position black lives above everyone elses', they're demanding that black lives are given equal value by police, and the media, and the government. Because currently they aren't.

Responding to BLM with All Lives Matter is like a fat fuck complaining that people campaign to give food to starving children in Africa, because "All people get hungry".

You ain't starving. If you're white, you don't need to protest about your life mattering because the entire world already treats you like it does.

No one told women's suffrage movement that them saying "give women the vote" was sexist because everyone should vote. Because you'd need to be an idiot to say it.


This is incredibly obvious to 90% of people immediately, and most of the other 10% pick it up within a few minutes of reading the coverage of the protest.

So now, 13 days into this wave of protests, and about 8 years into the BLM movement, you should know that the majority of people wailing on about "all lives matter" are racists who are trying to delegitimise or derail the movement.

So don't throw yourself in with them. It's not a crowd to be associated with.

By refusing to social distance and increasing the spread of Covid across the country and putting innocent and vulnerable people's lives at risk, they've done exactly what you say they aren't doing.
 
Im fully aware of what the campaign stands for and means. I don’t need to be schooled in it. But thanks anyway.

I’ll go back to what I said. All lives matter.

This whole 20 page debate I have been engaged in has been about a man who was killed because he ‘was black’.

All I am trying to do is remove that particular point by putting emphasis on all lives matter, and that this murder wasn’t race related. The corrupt cop would have killed him if he was white.
No he wouldn't Because if he had tried that on a white man his career would have been over,the police aren't used to getting charged for what the do to black people over there,his arrogance at doing it whilst being filmed was because he thought nobody would care,we he got that wrong
 
Im fully aware of what the campaign stands for and means. I don’t need to be schooled in it. But thanks anyway.

I’ll go back to what I said. All lives matter.

This whole 20 page debate I have been engaged in has been about a man who was killed because he ‘was black’.

All I am trying to do is remove that particular point by putting emphasis on all lives matter, and that this murder wasn’t race related. The corrupt cop would have killed him if he was white.

You're repeating a phrase only used by racists who want to obfuscate the protests, while also peddling a lie, that the murder was not race related because the 2 knew each other.

That's not true.

George Floyd worked security inside a club about 10 times. A couple of those shifts overlapped with when Chauvin would sit outside the club in his police car. The owner of the club says the shifts overlapped but she didn't know if they'd met. No one from El Nuevo Rodeo has come forward to say they knew each other.

So stop saying they knew each other. At best it's making massive assumptions.

But then you get onto the other reasons it's bullshit to say it's not race related. For starters, Chauvin wasn't even the first cop on the scene, he was backup after the 2 young officers escalated, aimed their weapons at him and pulled him out of his car for no reason. That almost definitely doesn't happen to a white person.

Then like Karen says there's the fact that he wouldn't be emboldened enough to do this to a white person, because there isn't a massive long history of white officers killing unarmed innocent white people and getting away with it scott free.
 
You're repeating a phrase only used by racists who want to obfuscate the protests, while also peddling a lie, that the murder was not race related because the 2 knew each other.

That's not true.

George Floyd worked security inside a club about 10 times. A couple of those shifts overlapped with when Chauvin would sit outside the club in his police car. The owner of the club says the shifts overlapped but she didn't know if they'd met. No one from El Nuevo Rodeo has come forward to say they knew each other.

Fair enough. You have your take. Not getting into another war on this one.
 
I agree with everything you’ve said but it’s worth just saying that the statue was erected due to him building hospitals with his money and mass charity work.

He was actually considered a big philanthropist at the time, which shows how fucked up societal norms and views were during the slave trade.

None of that work excuses his business, I would say he’s definitely a deeply immoral human figure but it’s important to understand the whole story with him.

The statue shouldn’t be there for such a man today but throwing it in a river isn’t helpful, stick it in a museum and educate visitors on how bad slavery was.
I dunno, throwing it in the river has probably brought more attention to the horrors of slavery than it sitting in some museum in Bristol would (I don't know if Bristol even has a museum tbh). You never know, it might be an incident that ends up in the history books.
I doubt the Iraqi's put that Saddam statue in a museum, or the former Soviet states with all their Stalin ones.

Not convinced museums are generally full of statues of terrible people either tbh, think that's Maddame Tussauds you're thinking of?

I agree that dragging it down isn't the "right" thing to do, but it was far more wrong that it's been allowed to stay there all these years and refusing to take it down tbh so it's the lesser evil.
 
Nobody.

All lives matter. This isn’t black vs white.

You’re the one who said “All lives matter, not just black ones.”

So if it’s so obvious, and no one is saying black lives matter more than white lives, why did you post it? It’s like posting “City wear sky blue at home.” Or “1 + 1 = 2.” What’s the value add? Where’s the opinion? Why did you post it?
 
In America Karen it is highly likely yes.
I am sorry but I don't agree with you on this one,has there been any cases like this? Honest question due to my shit memory

Thinking about it has a black officer ever murdered a white man in these circumstances ? If there is what happened to him?
 
No he wouldn't Because if he had tried that on a white man his career would have been over,the police aren't used to getting charged for what the do to black people over there,his arrogance at doing it whilst being filmed was because he thought nobody would care,we he got that wrong

He has been fired and will likely be charged with 3rd degree murder.

He did it on camera not because he thought he would get away with it, he did it because he is a stone cold murderer who cared little for the consequence.

If you really believe he thought he would get away with it with a phone pointed in his face ‘because he was black’, well we shall just have to agree to disagree.
 
By refusing to social distance and increasing the spread of Covid across the country and putting innocent and vulnerable people's lives at risk, they've done exactly what you say they aren't doing.

In America, almost all protesters are wearing masks and have washing stations, the authorities and volunteers are handing out masks to anyone who doesn't have one.

IMO the UK protests are poorly organised, reactive, and much more composed of people bored from the lockdown wanting a reason to kick off. I'm not impressed with them at all so far, and suspect the images of unarmed British police getting the shit kicked out of them being broadcast around the world is likely damaging to the cause of de-arming and defunding police in the USA.
 
You’re the one who said “All lives matter, not just black ones.”

So if it’s so obvious, and no one is saying black lives matter more than white lives, why did you post it? It’s like posting “City wear sky blue at home.” Or “1 + 1 = 2.” What’s the value add? Where’s the opinion? Why did you post it?

I fear you have somewhat missed the point I was trying to articulate.
 
It's not my take. It's the fucking facts without you taking massive liberties in assuming things to fit a narrative where you can ignore the racial motivations.

Im not ignoring anything. What you perceive as a fact doesn’t mean that it is one.

Plenty of white people are killed in America by bent cops.
 
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