George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Mike Cledford said:
Its all Cummings fault. Piers Morgan says so because he drove to Durham.
Just as they follow everything else he says and does.
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So just because Cummings broke the rules so should everyone else? What sense does that make? Surely protesting in a group of thousands of people will put out t risk more than Cummings did?
Sort of a 'dominic Cummings broke the rules, in response I'm going to put my life at risk, that'll teach 'em' sort of thing.
And certain they will be the ones moaning loudest about 'why is it taking so long for me to be treated here... is it cos I'd black'... at hospital.
 
Statues are a symbol, usually of power and State power at that. It’s why they are put up in the first place. In a protest some of these symbols will be targeted. Some rightly, others not.

But the attacks on then does provoke debate as to who they were, what they did and why they are there.
 
One of the things we need to be careful of in this is that our history is our history Manchester for example became the city it was as a direct result of a system of slavery in other parts of the world, acknowledging that isn't a support of that, indeed I would argue that the reverse is true without open dialog history can lie to you. A case in point would be Black American's celebrating July 4th yet at the end of the conflict black's within the British garrison of New York being sold into slavery....We are our history good and bad and we do the generations before and after us a disservice to hide it
 
DazWA9 said:
So just because Cummings broke the rules so should everyone else? What sense does that make? Surely protesting in a group of thousands of people will put out t risk more than Cummings did?
Sort of a 'dominic Cummings broke the rules, in response I'm going to put my life at risk, that'll teach 'em' sort of thing.
And certain they will be the ones moaning loudest about 'why is it taking so long for me to be treated here... is it cos I'd black'... at hospital.
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Had Cummings jumped off Beachy head, would everyone have followed him. No of course not. Its no excuse. They are all cunts and should each and every one be tracked and prosecuted. To think I thought you could not get lower than the far right and left, then I saw the panic buyers and now these, what an absolute shit tip hovel of a country it has become. Hearbreaking and shameful.
 
urban genie said:
The reputation of our police force was damaged in many eyes during the 80s when maggie turned them into a heartless force used to impose her will.

The 81 and 85 riots, Orgreave, wapping, hilsborough poll tax riots etc.

Add to that society has changed, I remember being respectful and fearful of police on the beat, and you would see PCs down our street every other day and even on horseback at times but you never see any hardly round my way unless it's the helicopter or cars speedingthrough and if you call them for crimes seemed small you get a crime number and probably never hear back, let lone a visit. And all the local stations are now closed

For example tge otger tear I was assaulted in town and went to the police to report it, the reply I got was "were you badly injured" answer no so it was sugested no harm dine then
"did you hit them back"? Yes well then you could be also done for assault
"Is it worth months of court time if we could even find them"

Basically it wasn't deemed worth the while to look into it.

This lack of local visible community policing and lack of time and resources to look into all crimes I believe has made them more distant and less repsected, and that is not their fault but a failiure of successive home office policies.
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Your final point seems to have answered your questions. The rest has nothing to do with anything I've said.
 
DazWA9 said:
I no longer recognise the country I grew up in. David Lammy says ‘things have got to change” - I have no idea what he is proposing but it will no doubt mean the likes of me becoming even more marginalised in the country I was born.
Watching that scrote trying to set fire to the flag at the Cenotaph on the news this morning actually brought a tear to my eye, I don’t mind admitting.
If that is the type of country the likes of Lammy and Burgon are proposing, they are welcome to it. I’ll continue to self isolate so I don’t have to cross the path of the ignorant and stupid (and yes, the racists).
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And what country's that, then?
 
Ban-jani said:
I wasn’t saying it wasn’t true and I am very much aware of the government paying slave owners off to free slaves but I just wasn’t sure on the number of families around today who have direct wealth still.

The reparations argument is a terrible one in my opinion. No one alive today did it and no one alive today was a slave (well that’s ignoring modern slavery but it’s a different topic). Once you make the argument for one thing, you can go on to many more. Maybe Germany should be paying the rest of Europe for the war etc.

I’m also not in favour of illegally taking money off people due to laws 200-300 years ago being immoral, they were still laws and were then changed, an agreement took place and it’s been fulfilled. Generally speaking, we still give a lot of aid to former colonies anyway.

History is important but regarding the race issue, I really think we need to look at the here and now and then focus on making things equal for the future.
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Fair enough. Your reply put me on the spot when you asked ‘so what do we do now’! Not sure how we put the injustice right now.

Only thing I’d add is the money to former colonies doesn’t help the people who have been disadvantaged and discriminated against their whole life.
 
"They're lucky that what black people are looking for is equality and not revenge." Incredibly powerful words from Kimberley Jones. I assume it's already been posted numerous times already this week, but always worth repeating.



And here's some background on the rigged game of Monopoly that she's referring to.
"Hey! That's not fair I didn't even get to choose what color I was when we started"
"Yeah no one does"

 
BobKowalski said:
Statues are a symbol, usually of power and State power at that. It’s why they are put up in the first place. In a protest some of these symbols will be targeted. Some rightly, others not.

But the attacks on then does provoke debate as to who they were, what they did and why they are there.
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I understand that mate but premeditating the removal of Churchill’s statue isn’t the way to go at all.

He’s got a mixed past, with some very immoral actions and views but ultimately, the world would have been horrific if it wasn’t for him, the lives he saved from taking a stand shouldn’t be underestimated.

Even the likes of O’Brien and Galloway, on the left, are positive towards Churchill.

The problem is, these new extreme protesters, not the general number, more the minority of political groups that whip it up, they only look at people in black and white (no pun intended) and ignore the grey areas and complexities of major historical figures.
 
Bigga said:
That'll be the fault of the commanding officers sending out his team ill prepared.
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But they were equipped with normal PPE. Asp, cuffs, spray, vests.

Police in this country are not para military. As things escalated PSU officers (nato helmets, body armour, batons) were brought in. PSU officers only represent a v small minority of frontline police-its always been a voluntary speciality.

The public have a responsibility to behave themselves.
 
The saddest thing for me personally about the weekend is that during last week I felt well disposed towards BLM, but now get that same feeling as I get when jehovas witnesses approach my house when I see BLM protesters on the news. All to do with their behaviour rather than the message itself. Sad.
 
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