George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
PR is the only way to break that imho. We had the electoral reform debate though at the start of the Cameron coalition - as far as I can see the only concession gained by the Lib Dems other than maybe gay marriage? We all got a leaflet through the door saying vote for PR and you'll get powerless hung parliaments and disaster, or vote to keep things as they are and it'll all be ok. The rest is history as they say and wet Camerons appetite for solving other thorny issues with referendums and leaflets :-(
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Oh there’s no chance, I know that but it’s a dream of mine.
 
karen7 said:
Who says ANTIFA and BLM are ? if "tommy" is organizing his crew then he is the aggressor ,he just loves giving anyone without white skin a kicking,he has no right to include himself in a fight when the majority of the protesters are ,as always,peaceful
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You sum up perfectly what I described in my previous post. I’m not playing your game. I’ll just let you read this then hit the block button. Thanks.
 
Ban-jani said:
It’s the internet in my opinion.

This board isn’t too bad as you can’t help but discuss topics with opposing views but on Twitter and other social media apps, you follow who you want and it creates echo chambers.
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Yep, and endless dubious sources either side can use to attempt to validate their point.

Such a shame it went that way rather than everyone seeing this huge database of views being a chance for everyone to read the opposing views to their own preconceptions to educate themselves further.

The internet and social media could have been great, it came far earlier than we as a society were capable of dealing with it though. We haven’t even managed to be honest and open in our education system yet!
 
Ban-jani said:
Because of a few things said on the internet?

The UK is infinitely better than the US in this area.

We live in one of the most liberal societies of all time but I’d agree there’s some way to go.
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Horseshit, you murdering thugs — my wife watches Vera and Inspector Morse and Sherlock all the time and all you cunts seem to do is find new ways to kill family members without using a gun.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Im not talking about the racist police.
I’m talking societal. You have deep problems that stem from your history.
We’re Just one of them.
You have tons of them though.

I know we all do it, but reading some of the hypocritical justifications in here for one set of actions over another has surpassed the same crap that people have been critical of in the American political threads.

Just an observation Ban-jani.

The UK is getting crazier with each passing year.
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I understood you meant societal views and I disagree.

The UK, as well as most of the west, is being tested by the introduction of the internet into politics but we’re better now than 15 years ago.

I think you’re adding 2+2 and getting 5, without living here.

Do you think Britain’s colonial past has that much of an impact on your every day man and woman in the street now? Most youngsters know little about it nor have that much interest.

If I were to say something racist in my local shop I’d get punched and thrown out.

I work in Manchester and it’s incredibly multicultural, with people getting along just fine from all backgrounds. You saw what happened after the bomb, people came together.

People on your island, whilst I know it was Britain’s fault in the first place (doesn’t excuse it now), hate each other for being the wrong type of Christian.

There’s hatred and division in all countries unfortunately but minorities are safer in Britain than most of the rest of the world, even other areas of Europe.
 
We are but it’s not something that anyone should rest on their laurels, there’s a lot more to do yet.
I’m not suggesting you’re saying that there though.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It is a sinister turn. There doesn't seem to be much space in this debate for those of us who want black people to get decent/equal treatment, protesters to be able to cause a bit of socially distanced disruption to make their point, and public order to still be upheld. It all seems to be headed towards a polarised pick a side and hate everyone else thing, like most debate in this country now.
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I think too much is made of this "black people to get equal treatment" line. I am sure there are examples of situations where they do not.

But SURELY there are many more examples - the VAST majority of situations actually - where black people do get decent and equal treatment? I mean, do you know of any racism or racist policies where you work? I don't. I work in IT, and I can tell you having been in the industry for 30+ years, I have never come across a single incident where any black person has been treated or looked at in any way differently from anyone else. I am sure it's the same in many, many industries. Skin colour is simply a complete non-issue. I don't even notice what skin colour people are.

Now, if you ask me does a black person growing up with a single mum in Moss Side have the same life chances as a white person growing up in Prestbury? Well probably not, no. But does a white person growing up in Moss SIde have the same life chances are the person in Prestbury? No, they don't either. Skin colour has bugger all to do with it.

Kids' life chances are much more greatly influenced by the attitude of their parents (and whether they give a shit or not), the mates they mix with, the school they go to and the aspirations they have. If you are a white kid with shit parents who don't give a toss, you hang about with morons for mates, go to a shit school and have no aspirations beyond dossing about, then you are hardly likely to be a tremendous success in life. How is this different for black or white kids? Is it REALLY the case that if you are born black then all things being equal, you cannot get as good school grades or get in at as good a university or get as good a job as a white person? I don't believe that is the case, the vast majority of the time.
 
I fully concede the thread has digressed. However in my opinion, without prejudice, PR gives every voter a voice. Communication would be a by product of the system leading to more balanced decision. Nothing is perfect just better. It would assist in healing division on anything.
 
meltonblue said:
We are but it’s not something that anyone should rest on their laurels, there’s a lot more to do yet.
I’m not suggesting you’re saying that there though.
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I’m not at all you’re right.

I’m not in favour of us patting ourselves on the back about how we’ve progressed, I want us to reach a stage where race is dropped completely because it no longer matters and there are no more issues with it.

Whether we get there or not is another question, we should at least try.

I just don’t particularly like people that don’t live here telling us how morally bankrupt the UK is, when living in greater Manchester is living in a multicultural success story.
 
The BLM protests aren’t causing more division between black and white people, they’re causing more division between racists and anti racists.
 
Bigga said:
Two cops have been charged with 2nd degree felony assault after shoving and injuring 75 year old Martin Gugino.

6 cops (2 already fired) about to be charged after two students tasered in Atalanta after body cam viewing.

Awaiting charge decision.
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At long last,this is why this movement won't fade away this time
 
mexico1970 said:
It's piss poor TBH, and the poster who called me one proved a point I was making about this protest morphing into an anti-Trump anti-Tory anti-Brexit anti-west mess.
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But the protest has done.

By the nature of such things, they will all morph into things people have a grievance of.

It's the only time their voices are heard collectively.
 
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