COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Tim of the Oak]

Since forever.
Beuracrates were always going to try and get NHS patients into other settings.
Where was the isolation of patients sent to care homes? Did they share this fact that isolation was required with care homes? If not why not?
As far as I can see it's the same plan across the whole western world.

The Government and NHS has been splashing around money for yonks to support “integrated working” in health and social care. At the beginning of the UK outbreak NHS leaders were lauding the cooperation with social care whose owners wanted the money for taking NHS patients eg as a step down service. The inquiry when it comes will establish what happens I guess but what seems pretty clear is that there weren’t consistent values across the NHS and social care to protect the most vulnerable.

 

[Ric]

The exact wording here.

Seems like a bit of an irresponsible thing for the WHO to have said without providing any data to back it up.

 

[grunge]

Seems like a bit of an irresponsible thing for the WHO to have said without providing any data to back it up.

Yeah it would be very good of them to provide there raw data.

 

[quiet_riot]

WHO are now claiming that asymptomatic spread is rare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

This is one helluva claim, and it needs backing up. They say they've tracked asymptomatic cases and found very few cases of others being infected too. This needs more context - were these cases pre-covid being common knowledge? If so, fair enough. If not, it needs validating because the world hugely changed their actions when it became a pandemic due to social distancing etc. If so, it could be the real reason it hasn't spread much from asymptomatic cases is because people have social-distanced, not because of medical reasons.

If these asymptomatic cases didn't lead others despite them going about their usual routines (hugging family/friends, working in close contact with others, no masks etc) then that's a different thing entirely. We need to know that distinction. It doesn't add up with some other stuff we've learned too.

For example, the Amsterdam choir case. Mass spreader, during a show. 100 out of 130 or sumat got really ill, a few died. There's no way anyone's performing as normal with a respiratory based ill. Would last about 2 mins. Surely that person was asymptomatic, but still spread it? Doesn't correlate with this idea that they barely spread it. Just one example, but i'm sure there's plenty.

Jesus.

Add it to the list.

Asymptomatic people spread it/no they don't
Kids can get it/no they can't
Kids are super spreaders/no they're not
Surfaces are rife with it/no they're not
Wear a mask/they don't help


Shambolic.

 

[grunge]

Jesus.

Add it to the list.

Asymptomatic people spread it/no they don't
Kids can get it/no they can't
Kids are super spreaders/no they're not
Surfaces are rife with it/no they're not
Wear a mask/they don't help


Shambolic.

Can only follow the evidence available at the time. its inevitable things will change with more data.

Although on this point?

"Kids can get it/no they can't"

do you have data? Never seen anyone say kids cant get it? It was kids getting it that showed the whole "Covid Toe" thing.

 

[quiet_riot]

Can only follow the evidence available at the time. its inevitable things will change with more data.

Although on this point?

"Kids can get it/no they can't"

do you have data? Never seen anyone say kids cant get it? It was kids getting it that showed the whole "Covid Toe" thing.

I don't have any data for any of it mate, I'm working off what is out there in media etc - they way most average joes will get their info. It's been one continuous minefield of misinformation. Starting off with the "you have to be near a person who has the virus for 15 minutes"

 

[crooky]

Jesus.

Add it to the list.

Asymptomatic people spread it/no they don't X
Kids can get it X /no they can't
Kids are super spreaders/no they're not X
Surfaces are rife with it X/no they're not
Wear a mask X/they don't help


Shambolic.

Put an X next to what I think are the right answers as of June 2020. Although I assume the surface one has changed but I don't remember hearing anything about it.

 

[BobKowalski]

Talking of kids I understand the whole ‘we are reopening schools’ appears to have been shelved for the time being?

I would presume we need to figure out a way of schooling kids within the context of a pandemic meaning more space for distancing, which means additional infrastructure, temporary classrooms, staggered breaks and lunchtimes.

A lot of planning needs to go into it.

 

[quiet_riot]

Put an X next to what I think are the right answers as of June 2020. Although I assume the surface one has changed but I don't remember hearing anything about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-...s-not-spread-easily-via-contaminated-surfaces

Granted, it's FOX, but the guidance and whatnot changes almost daily.

 

[grunge]

I don't have any data for any of it mate, I'm working off what is out there in media etc - they way most average joes will get their info. It's been one continuous minefield of misinformation. Starting off with the "you have to be near a person who has the virus for 15 minutes"

I try to ignore the news mostly, or if there is an article try to dig out the source of it.

seen loads of reports where 1 place picks it up and runs with it without posting where its from.

Looks like the CDC changed there wording slightly with regards to surfaces but they say there advice has not changed.

 

[quiet_riot]

I try to ignore the news mostly, or if there is an article try to dig out the source of it.

seen loads of reports where 1 place picks it up and runs with it without posting where its from.

Looks like the CDC changed there wording slightly with regards to surfaces but they say there advice has not changed.

I try to generally ignore everything because it seems no-one really knows, or they have an agenda.

Just staying away from everything to keep me and mine virus-free!

 

[somapop]

It's a real tough one for everyone. There isn't a definitive answer to any of it. Misinformation or elements in the US concocting conspiracy theories from China doesn't help either. No real confidence in the track and tracing or indeed testing. Various scientists either being overtly positive or giving rise to potential second waves. No real understanding of the R number levels with perceived spikes in some regions. 2nd waves in South Korea (but actually not really...not that you'd have that mentioned in the media).
Positive vaccine/treatment stories have dried up (positively as there simply isn't enough people ill with it in the UK).
I'm just sick if looking up peoples pixelated noses on telly and audience laughter missing from the likes of Have I Got News For You et al. Like some sickly child illness dream.

I cannot wait for all this to be consigned to history with the caveat that a hell of a lot of data has been collected that can help the world progress for the better.
In the words of Chris Morris: "Shut it Alan, I want you to stop".

 

[mrbelfry]

Sorry I'm being a bit dim about the WHO statement re: asymptomatic transmission. - are they saying a truly asymptomatic condition is rare and that most people do display some kind of sickness but not the classic covid19 ones? So asymptomatic transmission is rare not because asymptomatic can't pass it on but because truly asymptomatic people are rare?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Sorry I'm being a bit dim about the WHO statement re: asymptomatic transmission. - are they saying a truly asymptomatic condition is rare and that most people do display some kind of sickness but not the classic covid19 ones? So asymptomatic transmission is rare not because asymptomatic can't pass it on but because truly asymptomatic people are rare?

No mate, the WHO are saying it’s rare for an asymptomatic person to transfer virus. Their evidence comes from contact tracing experience in different countries.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

interested that it seems apparent something was up in China much earlier than they've admitted.

 

[mrbelfry]

No mate, the WHO are saying it’s rare for an asymptomatic person to transfer virus. Their evidence comes from contact tracing experience in different countries.

thanks - does that mean a person who isn't displaying symptoms yet also does not transmit the disease?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

thanks - does that mean a person who isn't displaying symptoms yet also does not transmit the disease?

I don’t think the advice on that has changed mate so I think people who are about to develop the symptom can pass on the virus.

 

[True_Blue69]

interested that it seems apparent something was up in China much earlier than they've admitted.

Noticed that the data being analysed from China around internet searches and hospital activity suggests it may have been over there since August. Once it all comes out in the wash I'll be surprised if it wasn't well established over here before Xmas.

 

[twosips]

Sorry I'm being a bit dim about the WHO statement re: asymptomatic transmission. - are they saying a truly asymptomatic condition is rare and that most people do display some kind of sickness but not the classic covid19 ones? So asymptomatic transmission is rare not because asymptomatic can't pass it on but because truly asymptomatic people are rare?

It's a bit vague tbh mate. For now I'd carry on as normal and presume what we previously told is true to be on the safe side

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Noticed that the data being analysed from China around internet searches and hospital activity suggests it may have been over there since August. Once it all comes out in the wash I'll be surprised if it wasn't well established over here before Xmas.

I want that to be true, I have an inkling it may have been, and I suspect it may be a case of a mutation or particular strain causing more severe symptoms in a particular outbreak which has led to this. If we can determine antibodies and immunity, and the above would somehow be true, it would be a relief for society, but we can only hope.