George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Bigga said:
Let's look at the Dem party from a couple of days ago paying homage...


Fooking. Embarrassing!!

I love Tim Black's take...
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For anyone wondering what virtue signalling looks like, there you go.

As Tim said, the cheeky bastards. It was under them that guaranteed many people who are still in jail to this day, who wouldn’t have been without the Democrats.

What’s with the scarfs as well?
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
So showing anger at history that helped get us where we are today is futile. Celebrating those who were leaders in the fight against injustice is futile. Does that mean by extension that the protests themselves are futile, and maybe even abolishing slavery is futile, since neither of those things have eradicated "racism and racist acts" and only made racists angrier? What solutions do you propose? Or should we just ignore all this and move on assuming time will heal all wounds?
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I've said it on here before. The only positive outcome from this will be changes in police procedure (I think some have already banned the choke hold), but racism will never be removed or eradicated, it is and always will be part of the human condition.

You carry on chasing rainbows if you want.
 
Ban-jani said:
For anyone wondering what virtue signalling looks like, there you go.

As Tim said, the cheeky bastards. It was under them that guaranteed many people who are still in jail to this day, who wouldn’t have been without the Democrats.

What’s with the scarfs as well?
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Exactly!

The scarfs are dope African designs, but I did expect them them to dance energetically to drumming!

That thought left as soon as I saw half of them take 30 secs to stand back up...
 
Bigga said:
Nah, what you're saying is that the racists want open display of the tyrannical rule of oppressors. That's been 'accepted' for decades.

Those same racists can't say shit if they were in museums, where they belong, as long as they're not destroyed.

They can lament their collective losses there.
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Your post reads as if you are suggesting that everyone that is not comfortable with mobs on the street vandalising public property is a racist?

Is that what you are really saying? It just comes across that way
 
Ballet-on-ice said:
I've said it on here before. The only positive outcome from this will be changes in police procedure (I think some have already banned the choke hold), but racism will never be removed or eradicated, it is and always will be part of the human condition.

You carry on chasing rainbows if you want.
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Thinking about someone being a fat/ skinny/ daft tw@, beautiful or ugly etc., is also part of the Human condition and also will never be eradicated.

Those people keep their views to themselves to some degree or are educated on it.

But, mostly, they're not statues.

They're adverts and adverts can be changed or removed.
 
Bigga said:
Exactly!

The scarfs are dope African designs, but I did expect them them to dance energetically to drumming!

That thought left as soon as I saw half of them take 30 secs to stand back up...
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I’d have died if they’d come out with some drums, from embarrassment for them.
 
stonerblue said:
You'll be happy with Bristol councils new plan for the statue.
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Knowing the council, the thing will stay in the harbour for evermore. The fiasco with the arena has been going on and on and cost a fortune and the improvements around Temple Meads Station have caused chaos for ages
 
Ballet-on-ice said:
I've said it on here before. The only positive outcome from this will be changes in police procedure (I think some have already banned the choke hold), but racism will never be removed or eradicated, it is and always will be part of the human condition.

You carry on chasing rainbows if you want.
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Can you remember in 2011 that song our away end were singing at Blackburn “who put the ball in the M****** net?”

The media went after us big time and Colin Bell said anyone singing about the disaster isn’t a proper blue.

I don’t think the word has been used collectively since, only the odd individual has used it.

My hope is that if any good is to come from the protests and I am concerned the negatives with Covid-19 will outweigh the positives, that it makes people think again with what they say and do.

City fans were shamed into giving up the word Munich as a negative, let’s hope the minority of racists, or a chunk of them, are too.

I’m not comparing the two as acts by the way.
 
Ballet-on-ice said:
I've said it on here before. The only positive outcome from this will be changes in police procedure (I think some have already banned the choke hold), but racism will never be removed or eradicated, it is and always will be part of the human condition.

You carry on chasing rainbows if you want.
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It's "chasing rainbows" to want to see racism removed or eradicated? I mean, in the early 1900s many in the US weren't especially friendly to people of Italian nor Irish descent, nor to the Chinese who came to the US to work, but I don't see much institutional discrimination now against these groups. The US put Japanese-Americans in internment camps during WW2. Maybe it was better in the old days, eh?

My 14 year-old daughter, who is empathetic by nature and just beginning to learn and care about current events, has been quite impacted by both COVID and these protests. She donated her allowance one week to a local food bank, and the next to the NAACP. Totally her call -- I was shocked. I'll make sure to let her know you think she's wasting her time chasing rainbows.
 
BobKowalski said:
We change history now to avoid passing judgement. We airbrush taught history to make sure it is palatable. British history is sanitised with all the bad bits largely removed. And it is incorrect to say our current morals and values did not exist then. There was a lot of heated debate about the morality of slavery at the time which is why it was eventually abolished and we are in a position to say whether something is truly right or wrong. Slavery and genocide are two for starters.

Look if you guys want to say that having a statue of a slaver who butchered thousands for money is okay then just say so without all this shit about Pyramids or whatever. And if it isn’t okay why the fuck are we arguing the toss over it?
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I wouldn't say it's something that has been removed from history because I know I was taught it. Ask people whether they know of the slave trade and whether it was wrong and 99% will say yes it was all wrong with the other 1% being knuckle dragging idiots or just thick.

I think what you want is to expose the British part of it but still it isn't something that was uniquely British or a product of British imperialism specifically. The slave trade was the doing of the entirety of Western Europe and then the US, first started by the Portuguese.

I've been to Barcelona and in La Rambla stands a massive statue of Christopher Columbus, remembered fondly for discovering the new world yet he also saw the new world as an import opportunity for slaves..... Should that statue be pulled down? God, even Colombia as a country was named after him, should they rename their country?

What I'm trying to say is this all seems an act of symbolism but is this now a trigger to confiscate and knock down everything that had any relation whatsoever to the slave trade or anything at all related to imperialism? A simple history lesson tells us who these people were and why we shouldn't look so nicely at their statues.

It's not a problem to me but I can see why some will see this as an undemocratic and highly politicised attempt to censure the past.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
It's "chasing rainbows" to want to see racism removed or eradicated? I mean, in the early 1900s many in the US weren't especially friendly to people of Italian nor Irish descent, nor to the Chinese who came to the US to work, but I don't see much institutional discrimination now against these groups. The US put Japanese-Americans in internment camps during WW2. Maybe it was better in the old days, eh?

My 14 year-old daughter, who is empathetic by nature and just beginning to learn and care about current events, has been quite impacted by both COVID and these protests. She donated her allowance one week to a local food bank, and the next to the NAACP. Totally her call -- I was shocked. I'll make sure to let her know you think she's wasting her time chasing rainbows.
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Good stuff from her!

Can I just say just to finally underline our past 'issue'? Your daughter's action is exactly what I meant. Having as much info as they can have and letting them decide from there.

She's done well there.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It's "chasing rainbows" to want to see racism removed or eradicated? I mean, in the early 1900s many in the US weren't especially friendly to people of Italian nor Irish descent, nor to the Chinese who came to the US to work, but I don't see much institutional discrimination now against these groups. The US put Japanese-Americans in internment camps during WW2. Maybe it was better in the old days, eh?

My 14 year-old daughter, who is empathetic by nature and just beginning to learn and care about current events, has been quite impacted by both COVID and these protests. She donated her allowance one week to a local food bank, and the next to the NAACP. Totally her call -- I was shocked. I'll make sure to let her know you think she's wasting her time chasing rainbows.
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Big Manc' thumbs up to your kid mate.
 
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