UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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Fair enough petrusha. I am mainly going off my experience supporting NHS legal cases and our barristers and the other sides seemed to be good at raising the respective spirits of their clients. I understand UEFA will have been outlining their position on our "breeches / non-compliance", according to their interpretation of their own rules and procedures that resulted in them giving us a two year ban. If UEFA were confident of their case before the Appeal, as their sources have indicated that they were, then IMHO they would have had to have a shocker to leave the Appeal feeling that they were on to a loser, unless we came up with fresh evidence to undermine their case. We may well have been able come up with fresh evidence and / or show to the judges that UEFA have broken their rules / procedures.

Frankly, we're all guessing because we have no knowledge of the case. But these people have done this kind of thing many times before and in my experience don't like to raise expectations if they don't get a positive sense of the proceedings at hand. At some point, the client is fairly likely to be disappointed and better if you don't leave them counting on too much at this stage.

As I say, it isn't foolproof. I was part of a team in one case where our client, a Russian company, was defending a arbitral claim asserted by its American counterparty before a Swedish arbitration institution. We and the lawyers assisting with our case were convinced we'd had a shocker but we ended up with them finding for us unanimously on basically every point.

On balance, it's definitely better that @Ric has posted as he has rather than suggesting that people in MCFC are slashing their wrists. But it can be grounds for only cautious optimism. We still have to wait and see.
 
It was top TV if you were 5 years old in the late 60’s. The Flashing Blade, White Horses, Robinson Crusoe, Casey Jones, Belle and Sebastian, Champion the Wonder Horse, The Double Deckers, Daktari, The Virginian, The Banana Splits.....I loved them all....and then Noel frickin’ Edmonds came along and ruined everything
Loved Robinson Crusoe and Champion the Wonder Horse as a kid
 
"isn't really compatible with a struggling business that needs propping up by the state"

If we did anything wrong then we took money from our owner not the state,it is not the first time that i have told him we are not owned by a state,in fact it is several times,i make a point of putting other fans straight

The struggling business he was talking about was Etihad not City, or at least that’s how it read to me
 
Not necessarily. We can only appeal to the Swiss Federal Tribunal on very specific grounds. We can’t just appeal because we don’t like the decision.
Well our statement said we are going to CAS in tne first instance,we must think we have further to go ?
 
Frankly, we're all guessing because we have no knowledge of the case. But these people have done this kind of thing many times before and in my experience don't like to raise expectations if they don't get a positive sense of the proceedings at hand. At some point, the client is fairly likely to be disappointed and better if you don't leave them counting on too much at this stage.

As I say, it isn't foolproof. I was part of a team in one case where our client, a Russian company, was defending a arbitral claim asserted by its American counterparty before a Swedish arbitration institution. We and the lawyers assisting with our case were convinced we'd had a shocker but we ended up with them finding for us unanimously on basically every point.

On balance, it's definitely better that @Ric has posted as he has rather than suggesting that people in MCFC are slashing their wrists. But it can be grounds for only cautious optimism. We still have to wait and see.

Thanks. Yes, I am glad to hear the positive news from Ric. It feels as though we've given ourselves a chance of a positive result.
 
Yep, over here in the colonies I always have to say Manchester City unless it is in conversation with someone who is actually a knowledgeable football fan. I have friends who know who City is, but others who think you mean United if you mention Manchester City.
Never met anyone that thinks it is the rags if you say Manchester City. That being said, if I am discussing football it is usually with "knowledgeable" (I use the term loosely)people.
 
who is stephan and is he a expert in corporate/football cases? Or just a talking head ?

Genuine question,not trying to be rude
Stefan is a commercial lawyer and CEO so he knows the law. His contribution to the debate around this case has been highly illuminating and invaluable. There's little points I don't agree with him on, mainly that he maintains that UEFA won't care who funded the Etihad and other Abu Dhabi sponsorships, whereas I believe that's central to their case and the FFP rules.

But apart from that, he's brought more to this body of knowledge about the reopening of the case and the CAS appeal than anyone else, me included.
 
God I remember using newspaper as toilet roll, nothing gave me more pleasure than wiping my arse with the sun or the news of the world looking back, it was pretty sharp on the hole scrunched up newspaper.

Did anybody have the toilet roll at school that was literally like thick tracing paper? When you wiped it slide half way up your back.
Bronco, Izal. All they were good for was tracing and making a kazoo with a comb.
 
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Small World I also did a Paper round at that same Newsagents.

And your name rings a Bell mate.

I grew up on Horton Road.

We all used to play Footy on the Croft using the Big Doors as Nets.......until the Ball went over the Wall that is.

Small world.

I reckon us 3 must have crossed paths back in the day.
 
Well our statement said we are going to CAS in tne first instance,we must think we have further to go ?
We could theoretically challenge the whole legality of FFP in the courts if we lose at CAS, but it would be a long shot and I don’t think we’d do it.
 
Good man - loads of runts on this forum - long may it always be that City are rooted in white dog shit, that black tar which used to bubble up in the streets when it got hot and back entries for playing rallivo and kick-can!!

*Edits - plus the rag and bone man and that person who used to leave bottles of dandelion and burdock and limeade and lemonade on your doorstep like the milkman.

Used to get 10p a bottle returning them.

Life was so simple then...
Bloody youngsters 6d taking a bottle back when I was a kid
 
Stefan is a commercial lawyer and CEO so he knows the law. His contribution to the debate around this case has been highly illuminating and invaluable. There's little points I don't agree with him on, mainly that he maintains that UEFA won't care who funded the Etihad and other Abu Dhabi sponsorships, whereas I believe that's central to their case and the FFP rules.

But apart from that, he's brought more to this body of knowledge about the reopening of the case and the CAS appeal than anyone else, me included.
Thanks lovely
 
We could theoretically challenge the whole legality of FFP in the courts if we lose at CAS, but it would be a long shot and I don’t think we’d do it.
It would potentially be (an expensive) way of kicking the can a long way down the road and suspending the ban for a long time. I think I'd rather take the ban and spend two years spending like a drunk sailor and winning everything domestically tbh.
 
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Stefan is a commercial lawyer and CEO so he knows the law. His contribution to the debate around this case has been highly illuminating and invaluable. There's little points I don't agree with him on, mainly that he maintains that UEFA won't care who funded the Etihad and other Abu Dhabi sponsorships, whereas I believe that's central to their case and the FFP rules.

But apart from that, he's brought more to this body of knowledge about the reopening of the case and the CAS appeal than anyone else, me included.
I thought who was funding the sponsorships was the whole point to the UEFA allegation based on the leaked emails naming the funding coming from 'HH'
What is stefan saying is the central point of the charge is if it's not that?
 
Never met anyone that thinks it is the rags if you say Manchester City. That being said, if I am discussing football it is usually with "knowledgeable" (I use the term loosely)people.
Yeah, mainly it happens with someone who doesn't follow football at all but is a casual enough sports fan to have heard of United. They hear Manchester, and just assume it is United. However, I don't let them make that mistake more than once!
 
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