UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Gazza]

"Nice to see we’ve got some allies now in the Geordies"

Ironically isn't that why the Nazis were finally defeated - having to fight on two fronts at the same time.

 

[willipp]

Sam lee just said he can see it being a 1year reduced ban of the limited infirmation he has tbf i dont think hes got a scooby!

Nothing like a bit of humble pie to eat whilst sitting on the fence Sam.

 

[HelloCity]

Nothing like a bit of humble pie to eat whilst sitting on the fence Sam.

He could barely hide his disappointment when we didn’t get that FIFA transfer ban. Will hopefully be the same again.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Nothing like a bit of humble pie to eat whilst sitting on the fence Sam.

He got it wrong last time didn’t he? Did he not say fine and suspended ban?

 

[willipp]

He got it wrong last time didn’t he? Did he not say fine and suspended ban?

I think so yes, couldnt of got it more wrong last time so clearly edging his bets. What is clear is he doesn't know, so sometimes its best to just say nothing.

 

[slbsn]

There was an article in one of the broadsheets (I forget which one) after the ban was announced in February, where they interviewed three barristers, who looked at previous CAS decisions and seemed to agree that based on previous form the most likely outcome was that CAS would reduce the ban to one year. At the end of the day arbitration is about finding middle ground when two parties disagree about something. However, I think this will be more binary, either City get off, or they'll be done!

Anyone got a link to this article - sounds interesting.

Arbitration is not about finding middle ground - mediation much more about that.

FWIW my view remains that if CAS accept the allegations are "proven", 2 years is not unreasonable or disproportionate. To get to that point, CAS would have to accept an element of deception and concealment by City, that this is a second offence having been given a second chance (afforded by the 2014 settlement) and that the scale of the breaches were very significant and over an extended period. In that set of circumstances, its hard to see why they would interfere with the punishment.

So the only way, in my mind, that CAS gets to a 1 year ban is saying that only some of the breaches are time barred but that 2015/2016 offences are still "triable". The problem in that is that it would still be a second offence so it is still serious and could well justify 2 years. It would also mean, in effect, that they accept City concealed and misled UEFA in 2015/2016 and the ending of the settlement regime in 2017 was on false grounds. These are all serious.

Finally, let's say CAS sides with City on the substantive or rules based arguments leaving only the allegation of non-cooperation. Firstly that is a subjective matter and if City did not cooperate it would have been on the edges. On a standalone basis, I'm not convinced that warrants a ban at all - possibly a small nominal fine.

In short, I just don't see many ways in which CAS can fudge it to a 1 year ban, far more likely an all or nothing. I think Sam Lee was clear he doesn't know and was largely guessing although lots of people have jumped on the 1 year bandwagon.

One final thought, a settled 1 year ban on the basis that City don't accept the wrongdoing is not the same as a 1 year ban after CAS find that City breached. The latter still leaves the club open to a few issues eg PL. If they can see 1 year, they should find a way to settle if need be by threatening all sorts of further legal action (even if only tactically).

 

[decmancity]

Our actions throughout this whole thing haven't felt like we are going to sit down and take a deal, UEFA by all accounts have already tried to do this with us even up till the CL games this season. We have stuck to our guns and took it all the way to CAS. I would be pretty shocked and disappointed I guess if we end up with a 1yr.

 

[slbsn]

Our actions throughout this whole thing haven't felt like we are going to sit down and take a deal, UEFA by all accounts have already tried to do this with us even up till the CL games this season. We have stuck to our guns and took it all the way to CAS. I would be pretty shocked and disappointed I guess if we end up with a 1yr.

Situations evolve, you see more of the other side's case, the other side's documents and evidence, advice can change etc. You have to react to the situation. It would disastrous to set a course and be unwavering if the situation changed and I am certain we would not have done that.

 

[theres only one carlito]

Situations evolve, you see more of the other side's case, the other side's documents and evidence, advice can change etc. You have to react to the situation. It would disastrous to set a course and be unwavering if the situation changed and I am certain we would not have done that.

By all accounts UEFA didn’t even look at our evidence so I’m hoping they got a shock when/if they saw any at CAS.

 

[nmc]

Sam lee just said he can see it being a 1year reduced ban of the limited infirmation he has tbf i dont think hes got a scooby!

Well that clown has covered all the options over the last 12 months - from no ban, no punishment, a fine, a 2 year ban, our owners being exiled to ‘Devils Island’ and now a 1 year ban. I bet he’s still wrong.

 

[TedofChume]

This all kicked off with 4 articles in Der Spiegel in 2018, however the week before this article appeared about the Secret Seven and was Der Spiegel's first article on Football Leaks. Very little coverage has been given to this article in the UK, other than threat of a European Breakaway Superleague. It is very long, the implications dramatic and surprising how close it is to happening.

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-for-elite-league-of-top-clubs-a-1236447.html


Key points are:

- They want to set up a 16 team European Super League with 11 founding members guaranteed membership for 20 years with 5 other transient clubs, changing every 4 years.
- It will be a normal league with a play off knock out to determine the eventual winners
- The Secret Seven behind it are: Arsenal, United, Real, Barca, Bayern, Milan & Juventus
- The other 4 founders were to be: Chelsea, PSG, City & Liverpool.
- The 5 others initially were: Athletico Madrid, Dortmund, Inter Milan, Marseille and Roma.
- Each club will earn €500m from TV rights each season, making it a no brainer to join.
- Games will be played midweek and at weekends necessitating the clubs to resign from their domestic leagues and UEFA.
- The limited company was set up in Spain with major shareholders Real Madrid 18.77%, Barcelona 17.61%, Manchester United 12.58% & Bayern Munich 8.29%. These 4 clubs would own 57.25%. The shares held by the other 3 of the Secret Seven are not disclosed, but is likely to take ownership to over 75%.
- The legally binding agreement was due to be signed in Spain by the 11 founding clubs on 02 Nov 2018, with the league starting in the 2021 season. It's not clear if that means 20/21 or 21/22.
- Rummenigge is slated for being totally duplicitous in his public statements compared to his private actions, leading other clubs up the garden path with his lies.

What we don't know is:

- whether it was signed in the end by all the 11?
- what impact Coronavirus will have on this plan?

However, we know that many of the Secret Seven have been active in piling the pressure on City over the FFP situation, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link between the two. For example, I find it hard to beleive City would join as anything less than an equal shareholder, and if City didn't sign, being banned from Europe would surely coerce them into subsequently signing. After all €500m is a big wedge.

To my mind this is more damning than City's FFP case because it rips up the fabric of football forever. We know the G14 threatened this 20 years ago, and it has never gone away. Perhaps this time it is going ahead?

 

[Centurions]

By all accounts UEFA didn’t even look at our evidence so I’m hoping they got a shock when/if they saw any at CAS.

The lower chamber didn't look I believe, presumably the upper chamber did. Either way they had the evidence to look at, at any time.

 

[Sky Blue]

Well that clown has covered all the options over the last 12 months - from no ban, no punishment, a fine, a 2 year ban, our owners being exiled to ‘Devils Island’ and now a 1 year ban. I bet he’s still wrong.

He's a fucking chancer....

 

[the talisman]

This all kicked off with 4 articles in Der Spiegel in 2018, however the week before this article appeared about the Secret Seven and was Der Spiegel's first article on Football Leaks. Very little coverage has been given to this article in the UK, other than threat of a European Breakaway Superleague. It is very long, the implications dramatic and surprising how close it is to happening.

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-for-elite-league-of-top-clubs-a-1236447.html


Key points are:

- They want to set up a 16 team European Super League with 11 founding members guaranteed membership for 20 years with 5 other transient clubs, changing every 4 years.
- It will be a normal league with a play off knock out to determine the eventual winners
- The Secret Seven behind it are: Arsenal, United, Real, Barca, Bayern, Milan & Juventus
- The other 4 founders were to be: Chelsea, PSG, City & Liverpool.
- The 5 others initially were: Athletico Madrid, Dortmund, Inter Milan, Marseille and Roma.
- Each club will earn €500m from TV rights each season, making it a no brainer to join.
- Games will be played midweek and at weekends necessitating the clubs to resign from their domestic leagues and UEFA.
- The limited company was set up in Spain with major shareholders Real Madrid 18.77%, Barcelona 17.61%, Manchester United 12.58% & Bayern Munich 8.29%. These 4 clubs would own 57.25%. The shares held by the other 3 of the Secret Seven are not disclosed, but is likely to take ownership to over 75%.
- The legally binding agreement was due to be signed in Spain by the 11 founding clubs on 02 Nov 2018, with the league starting in the 2021 season. It's not clear if that means 20/21 or 21/22.
- Rummenigge is slated for being totally duplicitous in his public statements compared to his private actions, leading other clubs up the garden path with his lies.

What we don't know is:

- whether it was signed in the end by all the 11?
- what impact Coronavirus will have on this plan?

However, we know that many of the Secret Seven have been active in piling the pressure on City over the FFP situation, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link between the two. For example, I find it hard to beleive City would join as anything less than an equal shareholder, and if City didn't sign, being banned from Europe would surely coerce them into subsequently signing. After all €500m is a big wedge.

To my mind this is more damning than City's FFP case because it rips up the fabric of football forever. We know the G14 threatened this 20 years ago, and it has never gone away. Perhaps this time it is going ahead?

Well Burnley are going to be disappointed

 

[Gazza]

This all kicked off with 4 articles in Der Spiegel in 2018, however the week before this article appeared about the Secret Seven and was Der Spiegel's first article on Football Leaks. Very little coverage has been given to this article in the UK, other than threat of a European Breakaway Superleague. It is very long, the implications dramatic and surprising how close it is to happening.

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-for-elite-league-of-top-clubs-a-1236447.html


Key points are:

- They want to set up a 16 team European Super League with 11 founding members guaranteed membership for 20 years with 5 other transient clubs, changing every 4 years.
- It will be a normal league with a play off knock out to determine the eventual winners
- The Secret Seven behind it are: Arsenal, United, Real, Barca, Bayern, Milan & Juventus
- The other 4 founders were to be: Chelsea, PSG, City & Liverpool.
- The 5 others initially were: Athletico Madrid, Dortmund, Inter Milan, Marseille and Roma.
- Each club will earn €500m from TV rights each season, making it a no brainer to join.
- Games will be played midweek and at weekends necessitating the clubs to resign from their domestic leagues and UEFA.
- The limited company was set up in Spain with major shareholders Real Madrid 18.77%, Barcelona 17.61%, Manchester United 12.58% & Bayern Munich 8.29%. These 4 clubs would own 57.25%. The shares held by the other 3 of the Secret Seven are not disclosed, but is likely to take ownership to over 75%.
- The legally binding agreement was due to be signed in Spain by the 11 founding clubs on 02 Nov 2018, with the league starting in the 2021 season. It's not clear if that means 20/21 or 21/22.
- Rummenigge is slated for being totally duplicitous in his public statements compared to his private actions, leading other clubs up the garden path with his lies.

What we don't know is:

- whether it was signed in the end by all the 11?
- what impact Coronavirus will have on this plan?

However, we know that many of the Secret Seven have been active in piling the pressure on City over the FFP situation, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link between the two. For example, I find it hard to beleive City would join as anything less than an equal shareholder, and if City didn't sign, being banned from Europe would surely coerce them into subsequently signing. After all €500m is a big wedge.

To my mind this is more damning than City's FFP case because it rips up the fabric of football forever. We know the G14 threatened this 20 years ago, and it has never gone away. Perhaps this time it is going ahead?

Well that would certainly make the German, French, Spanish, Italian and possibly English Premier Leagues a whole lot more interesting.

 

[SWP's back]

Sam lee just said he can see it being a 1year reduced ban of the limited infirmation he has tbf i dont think hes got a scooby!

He didn’t say he had any information tbf. Just said it was his gut feeling about it being a halfway house.

 

[TedofChume]

Well Burnley are going to be disappointed

lol

 

[KS55]

He didn’t say he had any information tbf. Just said it was his gut feeling about it being a halfway house.

That goes for all of us, guts and guesses. My guess is we are cleared of a breach.

 

[the talisman]

Well that would certainly make the German, French, Spanish, Italian and possibly English Premier Leagues a whole lot more interesting.

Spurs to win the league in 2022?

 

[hihosilva]

This all kicked off with 4 articles in Der Spiegel in 2018, however the week before this article appeared about the Secret Seven and was Der Spiegel's first article on Football Leaks. Very little coverage has been given to this article in the UK, other than threat of a European Breakaway Superleague. It is very long, the implications dramatic and surprising how close it is to happening.

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-for-elite-league-of-top-clubs-a-1236447.html


Key points are:

- They want to set up a 16 team European Super League with 11 founding members guaranteed membership for 20 years with 5 other transient clubs, changing every 4 years.
- It will be a normal league with a play off knock out to determine the eventual winners
- The Secret Seven behind it are: Arsenal, United, Real, Barca, Bayern, Milan & Juventus
- The other 4 founders were to be: Chelsea, PSG, City & Liverpool.
- The 5 others initially were: Athletico Madrid, Dortmund, Inter Milan, Marseille and Roma.
- Each club will earn €500m from TV rights each season, making it a no brainer to join.
- Games will be played midweek and at weekends necessitating the clubs to resign from their domestic leagues and UEFA.
- The limited company was set up in Spain with major shareholders Real Madrid 18.77%, Barcelona 17.61%, Manchester United 12.58% & Bayern Munich 8.29%. These 4 clubs would own 57.25%. The shares held by the other 3 of the Secret Seven are not disclosed, but is likely to take ownership to over 75%.
- The legally binding agreement was due to be signed in Spain by the 11 founding clubs on 02 Nov 2018, with the league starting in the 2021 season. It's not clear if that means 20/21 or 21/22.
- Rummenigge is slated for being totally duplicitous in his public statements compared to his private actions, leading other clubs up the garden path with his lies.

What we don't know is:

- whether it was signed in the end by all the 11?
- what impact Coronavirus will have on this plan?

However, we know that many of the Secret Seven have been active in piling the pressure on City over the FFP situation, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a link between the two. For example, I find it hard to beleive City would join as anything less than an equal shareholder, and if City didn't sign, being banned from Europe would surely coerce them into subsequently signing. After all €500m is a big wedge.

To my mind this is more damning than City's FFP case because it rips up the fabric of football forever. We know the G14 threatened this 20 years ago, and it has never gone away. Perhaps this time it is going ahead?

I got annoyed after reading just the first line, Quote "11 founding members guaranteed membership for 20 years". This was the reason ffp was set up in the first place to make sure that the top clubs made it difficult for other clubs to break into the CL.
Now its even worse, they want to guarantee participation in the super league no matter how crap they are.