Running thread

Treadmills take away the work done by the glutes while running. The glutes are the biggest muscle in the body and take the impact and contract for the push down and off movement.

People who solely run on treadmills have no arses.

Agreed mate. Haven’t used a treadmill for ages but years back remember doing a 90 minute run on one, during a particularly bad December weather-wise. Doing it on the road, I would’ve expected to be feeling it for the next day or two, with some proper DOMS, but felt absolutely fine.
Deffo not the same!
 
Just in the door from todays run:

4.5miles
32mins 39seconds
Works out at 7mins 14seconds per mile.

Mostly flat enough with a couple of steep hills near the end. Very happy with that but no idea how it compares to the general runner, sure there's work to go but it'll earn me some beers and a bbq for later on.
Good time that. Where do you run in Ayr? I was working up there last year and used to run on the promenade
 
Good time that. Where do you run in Ayr? I was working up there last year and used to run on the promenade

That's enough of that language mate. I'm Kilmarnock, the good part of Ayrshire ;)

The promenade would be a lovely run right enough. It's nice down there if it's not too busy, some nice views across the water.
 
Completed 7.02 Miles this morning (not sure why I have changed from my usual km measurement?) - started out at 04:30 as I couldn't sleep (was up with the little one from 02:30).

The mantra started to gather momentum in my head of 'get up you lazy tw@t' as I was just browsing jobs on LinkedIn and the like.

A nice cool, peaceful morning, wet but quiet on the road and footpath (a lot more fog than I expected so became a bit daring on the single track country roads).

7.02 Miles (what's that 11.3km?) - 1:02:33

Quickest Mile - 8:31 (Last full mile)
Slowest Mile - 8:48 M(3 generally up hill)

Pretty happy with the above as I haven't been out for a while and my knees have been playing up.

I also used my new trainers this morning (Nike React Infinity Flyknit) - feet were aching (different shape around the foot and to land on so to be expected) and I have cuts on my heels where the back of the shoe was rubbing (my socks didn't come up far enough to cover my heel - buy some new ones, lesson learnt).

I think I quite like them (granted I'm only one run in) - not sure if it was in my head or is a positive for the trainer, I seemed to find it a bit easier up hill.
 
Shorter runs / fat burning.

I hear a lot about throwing in shorter runs if you want to burn fat / lose weight?

I went to a big field yesterday and ran 3km flat out- literally as fast as I could. I felt great afterwards but also alike id cheated for not doing my normal runs of anything from 5-15km at a more steady pace.

Does anyone know anything about this?
 
I tore 2 ligaments in my foot on the pitch in early Jan and sprained an ankle. It's been a long few months and this morning plucked up the will and energy to go running again.

Did 2.1km in 11 mins. It's been a long 5 or so months, i feel fucked..... :(
First ones always the worst - less is more if you are recovering from injury in my experience (not that I am any kind of guru)........
 
First ones always the worst - less is more if you are recovering from injury in my experience (not that I am any kind of guru)........

yeah i am not going to go beyond that 2km run for quite some weeks. Even when my fitness starts to recover, my foot will be a limiter for quite some time.
 
Shorter runs / fat burning.

I hear a lot about throwing in shorter runs if you want to burn fat / lose weight?

I went to a big field yesterday and ran 3km flat out- literally as fast as I could. I felt great afterwards but also alike id cheated for not doing my normal runs of anything from 5-15km at a more steady pace.

Does anyone know anything about this?

To be honest, whilst sprints are useful in that regard, I think their impact is easily overstated. Plus, it needs to be done in quite a particular, controlled manner. If it's any use, I've posted on this subject on pages 145, 146, 169, 177 and 205 of this thread.
 
It's a slight misnomer as they're not really sprints as such; you'd typically be running in the region of 90% perceived effort. Basically run at not-quite-full-pelt up a hill, jog down slowly to recover and repeat.

There's no rule book on incline, distance etc, but you would of course build up gradually over time, as with all types of running and, indeed, all types of exercise. So, at first, you would do fewer repeats at a shallower gradient over a shorter distance. Those three factors would gradually change over time: quantity of repeats, incline and distance.

Contrary to popular thought, HIIT sessions like this aren't really that good at burning fat. That is, each one individual session will burn a high proportion of fat while you're doing it (which isn't for very long) and there is also what's known as 'the afterburn effect' where you continue to burn calories for a time afterwards due to the raised metabolism.

The problem is that you would only do HIIT sessions like this - typically - once per fortnight, or - at most - weekly. If you do it more frequently than that, then either you're doing it wrong or you are inevitably going to damage yourself (injury or burnout) which will affect the rest of your aerobic exercise on other days (and that's where fat is really burnt). Even in the latter case, one workout per week like this isn't going to cause any significant weight loss.

Hill HIIT sessions are worth doing - infrequently - as they are great for speed and strength, but I wouldn't be under the illusion that it's a short cut to fat loss.

Hi, i've read your posts and they're very informative. One thing i dont quite get is you say that "HIIT sessions like this aren't really that good at burning fat" but then you say that they will burn a high proportion of fat while doing it and continue to burn calories after due to raised metabolism. I can't really square the two off, the latter sounds like HIIT is burning a lot of fat? Why is subsequent aerobic really burning the fat? thanks
 
Hi, i've read your posts and they're very informative. One thing i dont quite get is you say that "HIIT sessions like this aren't really that good at burning fat" but then you say that they will burn a high proportion of fat while doing it and continue to burn calories after due to raised metabolism. I can't really square the two off, the latter sounds like HIIT is burning a lot of fat? Why is subsequent aerobic really burning the fat? thanks
Apologies if I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my previous posts.

HIIT sessions burn a high volume of fat in proportion to longer, slower runs and they also bring about the 'afterburn effect' where a degree of fat continues to be burnt post-run.

So if you warm up and then spend, say, 20 minutes doing HIIT, you might burn in the region of 300 kcals - great! You've successfully burnt some fat. You're also knackered from the hard workout and it's not recommended to carry out an intense workout like this for another week or so. You might find that, the next day, you only run for half an hour because you need to recover, or you might even have the day off.

Alternatively, you go out for an easy-pace run for 45 minutes, burning (let's say) 400 kcals. You finish with some energy to spare then go out the next day and do the same session, burning another 400 kcals.

These numbers are, of course, general and just for illustration. The point is that a HIIT session is effective in terms of the time involved for that individual session but, across a week, it's the slower, aerobic zone sessions where the bulk of fat is burnt.

So if you run easy for a total of, let's say 3 hours, across a week, and you also have a HIIT session lasting 20 minutes, the HIIT session on its own might burn 300 kcals but the bulk of calories will be burnt with the slower runs which could total 1,500 - 2,000 kcals. It's simply because our bodies will allow us to do a lot more slow, aerobic running compared to HIIT workouts.
 
I was reading this thread in bed at 6.15am. I've not done sprinting for a couple of weeks. Went out to do a 5k but 10 mins in I passed a steep hill. Sprinted up it 4 times then my legs were knackered. 20 minute walk to cool down. Feel good now.

I've read and re-read HIIT v LISS and concluded that analysis produces paralysis. Just do what you enjoy. Mate of mine who is a heavy drinker just walks for one hour every day and says that keeps him slim
 
I have had a mare with my running in the past 3 weeks. My left calf keeps playing up so have decided to run less and power walk instead. I went for a run last Wednesday and felt good, took it easy on the hills but I got carried away and ran for longer than planned. Low and behold my calf went again. Outside of walking and doing home workouts, I've rested my leg with ice and have carried out plenty of stretching. I went for my first run yesterday, a nice 30 minute flat run and it held out. I think my approach over the next month will be less 5 mile runs and more frequent 3 mil runs etc.
 
Apologies if I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my previous posts.

HIIT sessions burn a high volume of fat in proportion to longer, slower runs and they also bring about the 'afterburn effect' where a degree of fat continues to be burnt post-run.

So if you warm up and then spend, say, 20 minutes doing HIIT, you might burn in the region of 300 kcals - great! You've successfully burnt some fat. You're also knackered from the hard workout and it's not recommended to carry out an intense workout like this for another week or so. You might find that, the next day, you only run for half an hour because you need to recover, or you might even have the day off.

Alternatively, you go out for an easy-pace run for 45 minutes, burning (let's say) 400 kcals. You finish with some energy to spare then go out the next day and do the same session, burning another 400 kcals.

These numbers are, of course, general and just for illustration. The point is that a HIIT session is effective in terms of the time involved for that individual session but, across a week, it's the slower, aerobic zone sessions where the bulk of fat is burnt.

So if you run easy for a total of, let's say 3 hours, across a week, and you also have a HIIT session lasting 20 minutes, the HIIT session on its own might burn 300 kcals but the bulk of calories will be burnt with the slower runs which could total 1,500 - 2,000 kcals. It's simply because our bodies will allow us to do a lot more slow, aerobic running compared to HIIT workouts.

thanks that's great, i think i understand better now. I suppose everything is particular to each person but i am looking to getting back to how i was in December, playing 60 to 90 mins of footy 4 times a week (6, 8 and 11 a-side). I was never ever a good long distance runner but i was very good at lasting the distance in a match, very different fitness types i expect. It sounds like i need some HIIT to replicate that, with some slow aerobic to build up base fitness.
 
Apologies if I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my previous posts.

HIIT sessions burn a high volume of fat in proportion to longer, slower runs and they also bring about the 'afterburn effect' where a degree of fat continues to be burnt post-run.

So if you warm up and then spend, say, 20 minutes doing HIIT, you might burn in the region of 300 kcals - great! You've successfully burnt some fat. You're also knackered from the hard workout and it's not recommended to carry out an intense workout like this for another week or so. You might find that, the next day, you only run for half an hour because you need to recover, or you might even have the day off.

Alternatively, you go out for an easy-pace run for 45 minutes, burning (let's say) 400 kcals. You finish with some energy to spare then go out the next day and do the same session, burning another 400 kcals.

These numbers are, of course, general and just for illustration. The point is that a HIIT session is effective in terms of the time involved for that individual session but, across a week, it's the slower, aerobic zone sessions where the bulk of fat is burnt.

So if you run easy for a total of, let's say 3 hours, across a week, and you also have a HIIT session lasting 20 minutes, the HIIT session on its own might burn 300 kcals but the bulk of calories will be burnt with the slower runs which could total 1,500 - 2,000 kcals. It's simply because our bodies will allow us to do a lot more slow, aerobic running compared to HIIT workouts.
Makes sense to me......
 
I was reading this thread in bed at 6.15am. I've not done sprinting for a couple of weeks. Went out to do a 5k but 10 mins in I passed a steep hill. Sprinted up it 4 times then my legs were knackered. 20 minute walk to cool down. Feel good now.

I've read and re-read HIIT v LISS and concluded that analysis produces paralysis. Just do what you enjoy. Mate of mine who is a heavy drinker just walks for one hour every day and says that keeps him slim
Genetics will always play a part in that respect - he may just be lucky........
 

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