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Why just retail surely this should be mandatory in the work place? You sit next to someone in close proximity in an office for 8-9 hours a day surely upping the chances of transmission. In normal circumstances how many occasions do we see bugs going round offices making people go off sick?
Arguably it's more important in the workplace than a supermarket. Although there are other ways of controlling it in an office, like keeping every other seat free and allowing people to work from home at least some of the time.
 
Face masks made mandatory- only 4 months late Boris...and ten days until it happens? But yet pubs are ok to not wear one and the day after gyms open - can’t wear them in the gym as breathing would be a challenge... the long term damage this government has done to the country with this piss poor handling is shocking.
 
I don't think any of it has got any less confusing (perhaps even more so now). There's noise from everywhere and it's incredibly difficult to think straight. I'm avoiding most places (visit the supermarket just a few times a week late in the evening). I walk a lot (with the dog) mainly to keep fit and have my wellbeing lifted (and run too) but I'm finding this incredibly tough.
Are we to rely on a vaccine? Maybe they won't source one. Maybe there will be awful side effects (there's a lot of noisy theories about vaccination as usual). Maybe the virus will indeed retreat like Sars. No one really seems to have a grip on it which is fertile ground for both conspiracy theories and panic.
 
I don't think any of it has got any less confusing (perhaps even more so now). There's noise from everywhere and it's incredibly difficult to think straight. I'm avoiding most places (visit the supermarket just a few times a week late in the evening). I walk a lot (with the dog) mainly to keep fit and have my wellbeing lifted (and run too) but I'm finding this incredibly tough.
Are we to rely on a vaccine? Maybe they won't source one. Maybe there will be awful side effects (there's a lot of noisy theories about vaccination as usual). Maybe the virus will indeed retreat like Sars. No one really seems to have a grip on it which is fertile ground for both conspiracy theories and panic.

been this way a good few months now , Ive become bored of the panic and doom and gloom.

just take it easy, keep social distancing and follow government guidelines - pretty simple really.
 
If you look at daily infections they are plateauing around the 500-600 a day. I can’t see this getting down into double digits by the time autumn begins, they must have had a change in mindset on the data on infections going up with a temperature drop. The NHS will probably have to go round 2 with this virus until a vaccine rocks up in 2021. They are better prepared this time with new treatments and the experience they have gained since March which gives me hope.

Hmm I don't share you're optimism but hopefully you're right.
 
I don't think any of it has got any less confusing (perhaps even more so now). There's noise from everywhere and it's incredibly difficult to think straight. I'm avoiding most places (visit the supermarket just a few times a week late in the evening). I walk a lot (with the dog) mainly to keep fit and have my wellbeing lifted (and run too) but I'm finding this incredibly tough.
Are we to rely on a vaccine? Maybe they won't source one. Maybe there will be awful side effects (there's a lot of noisy theories about vaccination as usual). Maybe the virus will indeed retreat like Sars. No one really seems to have a grip on it which is fertile ground for both conspiracy theories and panic.

Yeah it's not great. I could see this going on for years and years when they have issues with getting a working vaccine. It's not an easy task to get a working vaccine especially in a much faster time frame.

Unless I was in a higher risk of death I'd also be staying away from that vaccine for at least 2 years though. To see what the short term effects are before jumping in.
 
It beggars belief that indoor masking is now classed a safer option, yet we still have to wait another 10 days to implement the process. In the beginning of the outbreak we were all advised that masks were ineffectual, but surely wearing one afforded more protection than not wearing one. You could not get a mask for love nor money back then so we both had to go to the You-Tube for our sock-mask making classes. I was never good at arts and crafts so it's with heavy heart do I say, that we looked a pair of sweaty bell-ends when out and about with children pointing at us and parents giving a polite tug. For filters we used Andrex doubled over and sprayed with Zoflora. This time however we shall not get caught out as there is going to be a massive surge for face covering sales in the next week, so get your orders in quickly. Unsure if this new directive is applicable to public houses but the ones we used in the Pool over the last few days only a few made the effort with social distancing becoming minimal as the night wore on, which was our directive to hook on and bail on out. We found Spoons followed the guidelines better than most with social distances fully observed and table service provided with screens. A very aseptic and artificial air about it but nevertheless safety at the forefront.
 
It beggars belief that indoor masking is now classed a safer option, yet we still have to wait another 10 days to implement the process. In the beginning of the outbreak we were all advised that masks were ineffectual, but surely wearing one afforded more protection than not wearing one. You could not get a mask for love nor money back then so we both had to go to the You-Tube for our sock-mask making classes. I was never good at arts and crafts so it's with heavy heart do I say, that we looked a pair of sweaty bell-ends when out and about with children pointing at us and parents giving a polite tug. For filters we used Andrex doubled over and sprayed with Zoflora. This time however we shall not get caught out as there is going to be a massive surge for face covering sales in the next week, so get your orders in quickly. Unsure if this new directive is applicable to public houses but the ones we used in the Pool over the last few days only a few made the effort with social distancing becoming minimal as the night wore on, which was our directive to hook on and bail on out. We found Spoons followed the guidelines better than most with social distances fully observed and table service provided.

We don't have to wait 10 days though do we

anyone with sense will do it from now and will already have done

so there's no reason to wait to the official mandatory date, that's just when a government policy can be implemented and legal
 
It really isn't much effort to buy a pack of face masks and wear them. I don't see the opposition to this idea of wearing one in shops etc? It shows courtesy to those who work there and reduces the risk.

I can foresee this being an absolute ballache for retail staff to police. Obese Sandra from Doncaster will be kicking off with retail staff when she will be refused entry/service in a shop for not wearing a mask.
 
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Yeah it's not great. I could see this going on for years and years when they have issues with getting a working vaccine. It's not an easy task to get a working vaccine especially in a much faster time frame.

Unless I was in a higher risk of death I'd also be staying away from that vaccine for at least 2 years though. To see what the short term effects are before jumping in.
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Yep. I remember when I started to get fit again (briefly in my 30's with martial arts) when I took up running in my early 40's and gym. Instead of getting frequent colds I could go a year or two without as much as a sniffle. That's become habitual now and something I'll always do (for many reasons).
For that reason (among one or two more) I'd probably skip a vaccine for a while I think too. Role it out to the higher risk groups.
The only issue with this dragging on is the psychological effect on the population. I'm feeling it big time at the moment. I think it felt quite positive upon until a week or so back (when the lockdown was lifting slowly) but that positivity has receded somewhat of late. I guess the tales of spikes everywhere isn't helping. It's royal bummer.
 
We don't have to wait 10 days though do we. Anyone with sense will do it from now and will already have done. So there's no reason to wait to the official mandatory date, that's just when a government policy can be implemented and legal

You can take a horse to water Mr Hammer but you cannot make it drink. The compulsory wearing of masks indoors with risk of a penalty for non compliance should be implemented much sooner than the ten day window.
 
Hi everybody, hope you all are well.
Don't follow CV so much anymore as new info has to come out of research centers first,
and science takes its time...

First few numbers from a bigger German antibody study (starting April) out yesterday, taken from about 12,000 blood donors, so not representative for the country (donators have to be healthy...):

only 1,3% did have antibodies now.
Strange enough lowest AB numbers in age group 40-49,
highest numbers for 25-29 yo.
Study keeps going.

It seems antibodies don't last too long, dark figure of infection is NOT too high, concept of vaccination is questionable.

We have to cope somehow, take care.
Stay positive and be grateful for what you have.
 
It really isn't much effort to buy a pack of face masks and wear them. I don't see the opposition to this idea of wearing one in shops etc? It shows courtesy to those who work there and reduces the risk.

I can foresee this being an absolute ballache for retail staff to police. Obese Sandra from Doncaster will be kicking off with retail staff when she will be refused entry/service in a shop for not wearing a mask.

I read yesterday that the retail workers will not police it. The police will police it
 
Scotland data.

Good news. 0 deaths for the 6th successive day. And just 3 new cases. (though believe it or not that is up from 2 last Tuesday).

More concerning news 616 in hospital with suspected Covid (+67) and 12 in ICU (+6)
 
Arguably it's more important in the workplace than a supermarket. Although there are other ways of controlling it in an office, like keeping every other seat free and allowing people to work from home at least some of the time.
My boss is a complete jobsworth.

Early doors in the pandemic, he went to HR to say he was at risk because of a number of previous conditions he's had. They told him to work from home as you would expect but he wasn't happy at all. He was furious when they then furloughed him. He phoned me every week and tried to talk to me about work but I was wary of this and simply gave one word answers knowing that I could be part of any investigation should word spread that he was still working (I don't think he was).

He came back a month ago despite the fact that the virus was more prevalent in the north than it was when he had to work at home. Work would absolutely allow him to work from home but he has no intention. He's one of those people who like to be seen and showing how important they are.

I'm thinking of exit options internally or externally but I know it's not a good time to jump ship.
 
My boss is a complete jobsworth.

Early doors in the pandemic, he went to HR to say he was at risk because of a number of previous conditions he's had. They told him to work from home as you would expect but he wasn't happy at all. He was furious when they then furloughed him. He phoned me every week and tried to talk to me about work but I was wary of this and simply gave one word answers knowing that I could be part of any investigation should word spread that he was still working (I don't think he was).

He came back a month ago despite the fact that the virus was more prevalent in the north than it was when he had to work at home. Work would absolutely allow him to work from home but he has no intention. He's one of those people who like to be seen and showing how important they are.

I'm thinking of exit options internally or externally but I know it's not a good time to jump ship.

That man needs a hobby.
 
My work had furloughed people but as we approach the months where they might have to start paying redundancies are starting. Think as companies look at their 1st quarter financials - End of July/August are going to be grim job wise for lots of us.
 
I read yesterday that the retail workers will not police it. The police will police it
Not sure the police can police it though as it will be on private property. They will need to be invited in, unless it kicks off because someone won’t wear a mask and there’s an assault.
Shops need to police it with clear signs saying no mask, no entry and I’m pretty sure the police might have a few other things to be worrying about.
 
Wales added 2 new deaths today. It was 3 last Tuesday.

England hospital deaths 26 with 5 from yesterday and 8 of the 26 from the NW.

Last week it was 36 with 7 from the day before and 14 from the NW.

There is always a post weekend catch up on a Tuesday. But this is again a good decrease.

UK hospital total last week was 40.

Currently today from England + Scotland + Wales (so likely to be UK total) it is 28.

Pretty certain that is a new non weekend record low for UK hospital deaths since March,
 
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