Bentheblue
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I wonder whether any Premier League clubs have had the balls to congratulate City on the CAS result.
I wonder whether any Premier League clubs have had the balls to congratulate City on the CAS result.
Here’s the interview:I’ve seen some posts about Sean Dyche being pissed off with Burnley’s owners over this. What’s he said?
Would suggest "are crying"Sheikh Mansour went to CAS with his team of lawyers,
Proved that we were innocent,
The hateful eight were crying.
Not only that, look at the setup at Bayern. Their board is mostly made up of owners/CEOs of companies, that also just happen to be sponsors of the club. In addition, the club is 25% owned by three companies. Those companies? Audi, Adidas and Allianz. The stuff we were accused of, is basically what Bayern do in plain sight.
Only the views of the cabal clubs and their friends in the media will be drowning out the facts at this moment. Even yesterday's pressers were designed to get opposing reactions, not a mention of the football, it sells papers. Your never going to get anyone from Liverpool or United to believe our sponsorship was legit, I give up on that one years ago. They think they have the divine right to spend whenever they want on whoever they want while everyone else waits for the crumbs to fall off the table. Comfort yourselves with this lads, were not going back to join the Burnley's of this world just yet.
It is not the executive board but the supervisory board that is set up mostly with various companies. It is not a one-tier but a two-tier board of directors. The executive board - that is the one that counts - is formed by Rummenigge, Jung, Dreesen, Kahn, Salihamidzic and Wacker.
Each of the 3 companies you named that are totally independent from each other has a 7 % share. Even together they do not have enough influence to veto anything!
No - it is not like at City. The club - and the fans that own 75 % of it - do everything to keep the power in their own hands! The possibility to sell shares is limited to 30 %! That opened the club the possibility to get money for stones, e.g. to pay off the Arena a lot earlier than planned and to build the Campus.
Whoever Scooby D is, that’s a great letter!If you can plough through the embittered united and Liverpool fans crying, this letter in the Football365 mailbox today is worth a read. Talented chap whoever wrote that...
https://www.football365.com/news/mailbox-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-man-united-moyes
The absolute States
As a City fan it has been both entertaining and illuminating to read some of the reaction to the CAS decision from supporters of other clubs – and certain sections of the media whose buffoonish incompetence, haughty hubris and self-destructive personal prejudice against the club and it’s supporters has been laid bare for all to see in brutal fashion (hello Delaney, MacKenna, Syed, Herbert, Corbett, Conn, Panja, Evans, Nakrani, Glendenning and pretty much any hack with the surname Harris).
Much of the reaction has been depressingly predictable. Blinded by tribalism and self-interest to even the most cursory reading of the factual decision of an independent judicial body, many are clinging vainly to the ‘time-barred’ element of the judgement as some sort of consolation prize – while choosing to ignore the fact that CAS also found that many of UEFA’s allegations- for that is all they were – simply were not supported by the evidence.
We all await the full detailed ruling with interest, which may hopefully shed some more light on the issues rather than the heat generated by hysterical smacked arses over the last 48 hours, but for CAS to come down so firmly in City’s favour would at least seem to suggest that the club refuted those of UEFA’s allegations which were not time-barred with some ease.
So it follows that there is nothing to say that those specific allegations which were not discussed at CAS by virtue of being time-barred could not also have been dismissed in similarly perfunctory fashion by City and their legal representatives.
If you’re hoping for a smoking gun to prove your “got off on a technicality” consolation tales, lads and lasses, then you may be disappointed.
Perhaps now the UK sports media, including the aforementioned rabble, might use this episode as an opportunity for reflection. To consider the fact that engaging in witch hunts and pile-ons against an individual club or fanbase (“sewer rats”, anyone?) does both themselves and their profession a disservice. That their journalism should be fair, honest, balanced and evidence-based, rather than churning out emotion-fuelled clickbait to appeal to rival supporters from the Meme/BANTZ generation.
They could perhaps start by asking who pressured UEFA into pursuing what City and its supporters knew all along was a doomed endeavour, a spiteful tilt at a windmill?
The old G14 may no longer formally exist but it is naive and disingenuous in the extreme to think that these old, long-standing political alliances between the entitled establishment clubs don’t exist and, indeed, continue to flourish today (see Agnelli’s shameful recent comments about Atalanta’s Champions League qualification at Roma’s expense as just one example).
Most Tory MPs and Peers have long ago left Eton and Oxbridge but does anyone honestly believe that the alliances and connections they forged at that time don’t influence their conduct and values in later life? Same thing.
The media could ask those rival Premier League clubs (aka ‘The Hateful Eight’) what on earth possessed them to write that ludicrous letter to UEFA demanding City’s immediate punishment despite the fact an independent due process had yet to run its course? Quite why the likes of Leicester, Wolves and Burnley got involved with the red-shirted mob is beyond me. They are fully deserving of scorn.
Finally, the media could just stop being so credulous and gullible. They could apply the principle of ‘cui bono’ – who benefits? Who had the most to gain from this grandstanding pursuit of an upstart rival?
Enter American-owned LFC, MUFC and Arsenal. There is an infamous photograph doing the rounds for a while now of their owners and senior officials all laughing along at a dinner table. It’s not a massive stretch to imagine that using the blunt instrument of FFP to fatally damage a rival might have been a subject for chit chat over the breadsticks.
With compliant mouthpieces in the press and broadcast media, extensive lobbying operations and even reports of murky connections to social media dirty tricks and disinformation campaigns, the redshirts and their owners have managed to convince a depressingly large constituency that while white American hedge fund money is good, brown Arab oil money is bad.
Persuading the gullible to “Look over there at what those nasty Arabs are up to” means nobody is looking too closely at their own values and conduct. Leveraged buyouts. Huge debt levels which they convinced UEFA to exclude from FFP. A cultural desire for sport as a closed shop – a cosy system where promotion and relegation on sporting merit is utterly alien and something to be resisted at all costs if it threatens the flow of money. You could even throw in the proven on-field cheating culture apparently condoned by other sports clubs in their broader organisations. Or perhaps the hacking of a rival club’s databases and the personal information contained within – criminal offences under the Computer Misuse Act and the Data Protection Act. Instead of disciplining those responsible, they get promoted instead. How does that work, la?
I would suggest that these factors mean US owners pose a great existential threat to football as we know it than any amount of upstarts from what their glorious Commander in Chief referred to as ‘shithole countries’.
It is a classic bait and switch and a great many people – journalists and rival fans alike – have been taken in completely. Completely conned like the doomed rubes who still think they can beat a street corner card sharp at Find the Lady.
There might be a sucker born every minute but there are literally thousands of them tweeting every second. And that just goes to prove that this cabal of septic Americans have done their job depressingly well.
- from Scooby D, Manchester
Spot on, BlueAll this proves is that United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham will try anyway they can to stop us, after all we’ve taken money out of their pockets year after year by finishing above them in the league, getting “their” champions league spots, taking “their” trophies.
But surely other clubs and fans should be getting behind us over all this.
I know a few other teams joined the hateful 8, but that was nothing more than them getting a sniff of top 4, long term however they should be backing us.
It shows that the teams above are quite happy for you to exist in this league, just as long as you stay where you are and know your place.
If you dare to try to compete, they’ll band together to stamp you back down to where you belong.
They’ll use Uefa and press to discredit you at every opportunity, they are the puppeteers and peddle lies which football fans seem to lap it up.
UEFA and the press are either too stupid to see they are being used to peddle their agenda or are too scared of the big powerful elite clubs, I suspect the latter.
You’ve only got to look at the announcement on Monday, I watched it live on Sky Sports News and I thought we’d been charged for failing ffp, they said something along the lines of the ban had been downgraded to a fine, the written press are no better, choosing which bit of the statement to leave out to make us still sound guilty and giving the impression we’ve got away with it.
There was a United fan commenting on a news article on Facebook, he said correct me if I’m wrong but your guilty or why else have they fined you? (Yawn), I simply said I’m guessing you haven’t read the statement from cas or you wouldn’t be asking if your wrong, cos you are.
He said he hadn’t and would go read it, then came back and apologised for getting it wrong, he was going off what he’d read in the press.
That right there is what we’re dealing with and will continue to do so until we stand up and challenge these lies.
Fair play? Don’t make me fucking laugh!
Burnley the 6 fingered banjo playing racist fuckers hope a stray nuclear weapon flattens the shit hole of a place
For point 3.Could I possibly ask that someone creates a sticky thread and in it summarises:-
1. What City were alleged to have done
2. What CAS said in each case
3. In the case of the hateful 8 what they have done and got away with, particularly Liverpool failing ffp by £50m (twice?) due to £50m of planning costs? (twice), hacking, Leicester cheating ffp and still getting promoted etc
I think it would be incredibly useful to have this clearly summarised by someone like PB for use when talking to all the cunnts out there
There’s a reason that barely any roads lead to Burnley “do they not?”.Burnley the 6 fingered banjo playing racist fuckers hope a stray nuclear weapon flattens the shit hole of a place
Burnley the 6 fingered banjo playing racist fuckers hope a stray nuclear weapon flattens the shit hole of a place
I would suggest scrapping the whole fucking thing.Would suggest "are crying"
For point 3.
Here are the articles I’ve posted this week showing various Hateful Eight transgressions, levels of debt and getting away with failing FFP (none of which are ever talked about by the media or other fans):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-32898612
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2019/09/23/liverpool-paid-man-city-1m-scouting-database-hacked/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...xpected-to-escape-fine-for-breaching-FFP.html
https://www.insider.co.uk/news/standard-chartered-hit-money-laundering-12213464
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/football-fan-killed-1615018.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...ial-results-2020-net-debt-rises-a4447346.html
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ball-league-financial-fair-play-investigation
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2458623-what-does-chelseas-1-billion-in-debt-mean-for-the-clubs-future#:~:text=Chelsea is debt-free, but only in a technical,This translates to Chelsea being technically debt free.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...t-assurances-club-new-loan-deal-a4494571.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...hallenge-faced-in-20-years-amid-a4390761.html
https://www.bing.com/fd/ls/GLinkPin...uYW5jaWFsLWZhaXItcGxheS1ydWxlcy1yZXBvcnRpbmcv
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ts-hedrick-hart-bardsley-lennon-a9575686.html