Ferran Torres

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domalino said:
2nd LB is also the 2nd LCB - Aké/Alaba and Zinchenko will still be around IMO. Not the right time to sell even if his long term future isn't here.
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Zinchenko fits into that lb slot then and Carson I'd assume will still be 3rd keeper.
 
domalino said:
2nd LB is also the 2nd LCB - Aké/Alaba and Zinchenko will still be around IMO. Not the right time to sell even if his long term future isn't here.
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I think it depends on what becomes available in the market. If there’s an option of a very good but expensive player I could see Zinchenko going because he’d represent a big accountancy profit given we paid only £1.7m for him... which has been amortised away... so anything at circa £20-25m would be a large chunk to offset an £80m player over 5 years.

I for one really do hope we buy a proper left back this window to fight with Mendy which would make the sale of Zinchenko even more compelling.
 
g180aj said:
Zinchenko fits into that lb slot then and Carson I'd assume will still be 3rd keeper.
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GBrannan said:
I think it depends on what becomes available in the market. If there’s an option of a very good but expensive player I could see Zinchenko going because he’d represent a big accountancy profit given we paid only £1.7m for him... which has been amortised away... so anything at circa £20-25m would be a large chunk to offset an £80m player over 5 years.

I for one really do hope we buy a proper left back this window to fight with Mendy which would make the sale of Zinchenko even more compelling.
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You two do know Zin is NOT an LB by trade, right?

He has been a superb team player for us, whilst not ever getting a real chance of playing his preferred role.
 
Bigga said:
You two do know Zin is NOT an LB by trade, right?

He has been a superb team player for us, whilst not ever getting a real chance of playing his preferred role.
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Yes, unfortunately for him there is no chance he would get a regular chance in midfield because of the quality we already have
 
Just watched Torres in a replay of last 16 against Atalanta in Spain, a step down from anything we have in the front line first half only, he needs Pep massively to become a squad player
 
Have seen a few things on this lad about what a good character he is, very much in the Dave/ Rodri/ Garcia/ Gundo - model citizen style.

I know this is what the club prefer, rather than massive Neymar type ego's but I'd love an absolute killer to get excited about. Someone that can be a bit of a cult hero, a personality that wont take any shit- a bit like Ederson or Laporte when they get pissed off.

Jesus, you can tell I'm spoilt with this team when I'm getting picky about a wonderkid winger
 
City_Sean said:
This is another reason why the CFG model is fantastic. It could potentially knock us €15m off a deal and allow us to use the funds to secure Koulibaly. Herrera cost us £300k and after a few good loans, hes now valued at €15m. Having all those clubs and the scouting network it provides is invaluable.
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Cheating bastards.

Petro dollars.

Throwing money around.

Arabs.
 
GBrannan said:
He is in our squad.
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Yes, he is, but it's the "let's fook him off" attitude that bothers me about some of our fans, sometimes.

Stones can fook off before Zin and he would reach a similar market value.

Trouble is, I like Stones, but he's been a bit unlucky with his injuries and his decision making is similar to Zin's, more so, actually. Stones has a dedicated position he hasn't kicked on in. A bit more aggression and he'd be better as a midfielder(the opposite to Vinny's career).

Zin is NOT a left back, but he tries his best.

There's the difference.
 
Bigga said:
Yes, he is, but it's the "let's fook him off" attitude that bothers me about some of our fans, sometimes.

Stones can fook off before Zin and he would reach a similar market value.

Trouble is, I like Stones, but he's been a bit unlucky with his injuries and his decision making is similar to Zin's, more so, actually. Stones has a dedicated position he hasn't kicked on in. A bit more aggression and he'd be better as a midfielder(the opposite to Vinny's career).

Zin is NOT a left back, but he tries his best.

There's the difference.
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I have no great desire for Zinchenko to go. That said I think he should have a desire, he isn't going to be first choice in midfield, or left back for us. He's at an age now where he could establish himself in midfield at a very good level. imo he should be wanting to do that and we shouldn't stand in his way after serving us well.
 
blueparrot said:
I have no great desire for Zinchenko to go. That said I think he should have a desire, he isn't going to be first choice in midfield, or left back for us. He's at an age now where he could establish himself in midfield at a very good level. imo he should be wanting to do that and we shouldn't stand in his way after serving us well.
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This I agree with.

I do think he's too happy to be a squad player and should be agitating for Gundo's position, at least. He clearly has the 'trust' of Pep to be on the left in a position he's not great in, so what he has to do to get a mid position I don't know!
 
Bigga said:
This I agree with.

I do think he's too happy to be a squad player and should be agitating for Gundo's position, at least. He clearly has the 'trust' of Pep to be on the left in a position he's not great in, so what he has to do to get a mid position I don't know!
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Probably Zinchenko is unlikely to be a starter in a title or European Cup potential winning team in his favoured position. He might just be enjoying his football and the group at City, and see this as his best realistic chance of winning trophies. The Ukrainian Delph (and I say that with respect, it's a brilliant thing to be)
 
Bigga said:
Yes, he is, but it's the "let's fook him off" attitude that bothers me about some of our fans, sometimes.

Stones can fook off before Zin and he would reach a similar market value.

Trouble is, I like Stones, but he's been a bit unlucky with his injuries and his decision making is similar to Zin's, more so, actually. Stones has a dedicated position he hasn't kicked on in. A bit more aggression and he'd be better as a midfielder(the opposite to Vinny's career).

Zin is NOT a left back, but he tries his best.

There's the difference.
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That’s why I caveated my original post by saying Zinchenko going would probably depend on a player coming available where we want or need a larger profit for the books to offset that transfer. Zinchenko would basically show as a £25m profit but Stones going for the same price wouldn’t because he’d still have a higher book value given we bought him for £50m, so he’ll have say £10m left to amortise.

I don’t mind Zinchenko, he tries hard and he’s a good technical player but unless he does move forward, which there’s no sign of him doing, then he is one of our left backs... and I would prefer a proper left back because he’s not good enough there, and with Mendy being susceptible to injury it needs addressing.

Anyway, to bring it back to Torres it looks like we’re trying to do something similar with Herrera to offset his cost because the €15m should show as pretty much all profit.
 
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