It’s also the most commonly used insult that both men and women use for women.
If she’d called him a bastard the conversation would be how inappropriate it was, rather than discrimination.
Words take on new meanings and are used for different circumstances, in different times.A bastard is an old word for an illegitimate child isn’t it? Didn’t realise it was only illegitimate boys? Anyway, I think it’s just commonly used as a general insult now isn’t it - or is that what you’re saying?
Re your first sentence, do you think it makes a difference who says it to a woman, man or woman? I’d say it does, but maybe you’d reckon it makes no odds?
But you're acting like this has happened in a vacuum between two people we know nothing about. This man is a member of an explicitly racist government that has gone out of its way to court white nationalists, has banned people purely because of their country of origin, and has rounded up the children of immigrants and separated them from their parents. I don't think it's a massive stretch to suggest that someone who has supported such a government may have a problem with a young, Latino woman who is arguably more influential than he is in Congress. I actually don't think there's enough evidence to label this as racially motivated, but I also don't think it's completely beyond speculation, like you seem to.If saying it has nothing to do with race is as bad as saying it is without knowing, why aren’t you questioning the other posters?
It doesn’t have anything to do with race until you prove otherwise, that’s the point.
Are you going to monitor every single interaction with a white person and non-white person and go “hang on a minute, that criticism might be racism!”
Every time a white person is rude, abusive or just reasonably critical of a minority, the position you must take is that it isn’t racist until there’s proof it is.
Otherwise we’ll never drop the race issue.
But you're acting like this has happened in a vacuum between two people we know nothing about. This man is a member of an explicitly racist government that has gone out of its way to court white nationalists, has banned people purely because of their country of origin, and has rounded up the children of immigrants and separated them from their parents. I don't think it's a massive stretch to suggest that someone who has supported such a government may have a problem with a young, Latino woman who is arguably more influential than he is in Congress. I actually don't think there's enough evidence to label this as racially motivated, but I also don't think it's completely beyond speculation, like you seem to.
And just for the record, the fact that he called her a 'bitch' isn't evidence that he's misogynistic. It's not reached the level of the N-word where by using it you're basically admitting to being a racist. Nor is anyone who calls a woman a name a misogynist. But if you verbally abuse someone because they're a woman, then I'd say you are. But it's actually more subtle than that. What you often see is people (on all sides) reacting to a woman they disagree with differently to a man they disagree with. Let's imagine exactly the same situation, but instead of AOC, he bumped into Bernie Sanders (who if it's just about opinions, is almost identical). Do we think Yoho would have even aggressively confronted him in the first place? I'm very doubtful that he would. It isn't a left/right thing. Women of all political persuasions are frequently subjected to very gendered abuse. And therefore I think AOC's response calling this out as a gendered attack is legitimate.
No it isn’t an interesting piece, you think that because it’s once again centred not on Yoho being obnoxious, but gender and identity politics.An interesting piece on the AOC/Yoho incident and how it is framed.
https://www.thecut.com/2020/07/aoc-speech-ted-yoho-new-york-times.html
No it isn’t an interesting piece, you think that because it’s once again centred not on Yoho being obnoxious, but gender and identity politics.
She’s called “disruptive” not because she’s a woman, because she’s a socialist in a country that’s very much Libertarian-Conservative. She’s also incredibly vocal and has a huge following for someone of her position level.
Jeremy Corbyn was seen as the same over here, even though he led the Opposition.
When he told her she was “out of her freaking mind” (so American), it was obviously attacking her views not her genitals or skin colour.
Do you think those that call Thatcher a witch or a bitch, which is common place on the left, are misogynists too?
Bollocks.Bitch is used against males and females in the US, calling someone a bitch isn’t racist nor sexist and that’s the bottom line here.
Haha, nice try!You can try and paint it anyway you want and add all the hyperbole you wish (didn’t see criticisms of Obama separating children on here at the time) but it doesn’t mean he’s done anything but have been rude.
Doesn’t need dressing up...it’s plain as day.Dress is up how you want, I genuinely can’t be arsed with everything’s racist or sexist brigade.
That's a great post. She was verbally abused in her workplace by a dinosaur colleague who disliked her because he felt that she challenged or threatened his established order of how he feels things should be there.Bollocks.
Haha, nice try!
Doesn’t need dressing up...it’s plain as day.
BTW, since the day she was elected, she has been castigated for one thing or another. Socialist! Green New Deal radical! AOC this, AOC that! Republicans running around with their hair on fire over a charismatic first term Congresswoman...
What she had to say was pitch (and factually) perfect and anyone with any problem with what she said IS PART OF THE PROBLEM she was illuminating.
And none of your post highlights it’s anything about sex or her skin colour.Bollocks.
Haha, nice try!
Doesn’t need dressing up...it’s plain as day.
BTW, since the day she was elected, she has been castigated for one thing or another. Socialist! Green New Deal radical! AOC this, AOC that! Republicans running around with their hair on fire over a charismatic first term Congresswoman...
What she had to say was pitch (and factually) perfect and anyone with any problem with what she said IS PART OF THE PROBLEM she was illuminating.
It’s a wank post as I never said that wasn’t the case.That's a great post. She was verbally abused in her workplace by a dinosaur colleague who disliked her because he felt that she challenged or threatened his established order of how he feels things should be there.
It’s a wank post as I never said that wasn’t the case.
I merely said calling her a bitch wasn’t racist or sexist.
White privilege is a load of crap in 2020, yes, it has existed up until the 21st century and minorities are now turning the tide on top positions.You said a lot more than that. You said white privilege is a myth and serious race issues don’t exist in the work place, amongst other things.
White privilege is a load of crap in 2020, yes, it has existed up until the 21st century and minorities are now turning the tide on top positions.
Generally speaking there isn’t a problem.
Any slight racial slur and you’re rightly sacked immediately. If there’s evidence of racism in the workplace and the employer doesn’t do anything, they’re absolutely fucked.
But hey ho it’s trendy to say otherwise.
Tell me what aspect of day to day life you have it better than a black person, Bob?
Whenever I'd go round town with my cousin we'd frequently get stopped by helpful policemen wondering what we were up to, where we were going and why we were there. Strangely it never happened when he wasn't there. Much the same as in shops when helpful shop assistant would follow us around asking us if we needed any help, they must all of just loved him as again it never happened when he wasn't there. He also had the police called on him repeatedly while doing his paper round, yet I never did. Not sure why. I've also never turned up to a job interview and had the person look surprised and say "Oh you aren't what I was expecting with a name like (Scottish last name)", followed by a quick interview and no call back. But then again, none of these particular people called him racist names to his face, so racism is probably gone now.I don’t get called the ‘n’ word when walking the dog, my wife has.
I don’t get racially abused when queuing in a mobile phone shop, my wife has,
I don’t get pulled over when driving my wife’s car, my wife has.
With respect, do one.
I don’t get called the ‘n’ word when walking the dog, my wife has.
I don’t get racially abused when queuing in a mobile phone shop, my wife has,
I don’t get pulled over when driving my wife’s car, my wife has.
With respect, do one.
Or maybe he wasn’t right for the job?Whenever I'd go round town with my cousin we'd frequently get stopped by helpful policemen wondering what we were up to, where we were going and why we were there. Strangely it never happened when he wasn't there. Much the same as in shops when helpful shop assistant would follow us around asking us if we needed any help, they must all of just loved him as again it never happened when he wasn't there. He also had the police called on him repeatedly while doing his paper round, yet I never did. Not sure why. I've also never turned up to a job interview and had the person look surprised and say "Oh you aren't what I was expecting with a name like (Scottish last name)", followed by a quick interview and no call back. But then again, none of these particular people called him racist names to his face, so racism is probably gone now.
You’re seeing what you want to see.
You’ve got into your head everyone who’s not on your side is a racist misogynist.
You think every Tory or Republican, or right winger generally, hates women and minorities.
It’s why political opponents swearing at each other is racism, is misogyny, is whatever the left wants it to be.
We’re living in your world now where everything is presumed as hate speech until you can prove otherwise.
I can’t be arsed Bob, it’s exhausting talking about it, with people who share this view of yours.