CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

Centurions said:
If we're lucky they'll release a short statement saying 'In light of the CAS award we've dropped our investigation'. I suspect they'll just quietly drop it and pretend that it never happened.
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It's difficult for them,all sitting around on their elbows not knowing what to do next.
 
blue cigar said:
I'm curious PB, when will someone in the media look behind the outcome and question where this stems from, by that I mean the cartel clubs? That would be real journalism instead of Sabre rattling, there is a good story beneath all this if they can be arsed or have the bollocks to dig a little.
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Frankly, proper journalism in football is dead. Petrusha nails it: the days of proper investigative journalism within football are over.

What was Der Spiegel’s “scoop”? It wasn’t exactly Watergate style detective work. A hacker who had first tried to blackmail City sold the stolen emails to Der Spiegel, who paid for them because they were handed them on a plate.

Because that’s what “journalism” in football at least at PL/CL lever has become. Stories are handed to football writers by “sources” who all have their own agendas. Agents, clubs, UEFA officials etc. Who use the media as pawns to further their own interests. And because these days what pays is what clicks, journalism has basically turned into PR for the G14 clubs.

There used to be some notable exceptions. Henry Winter was once a writer worth reading. Those days are gone. Martin Samuel, much though I respect him, I don’t think does much serious actual journalism these days. Mostly he seems to me to offering his opinion on the issues of the day. Which is well worth reading, don’t get me wrong, but I think his days of chasing the story down are over, and in fairness he’s earned it.

So who is it out there who might answer your question? Why was this disastrous prosecution launched, and how could UEFA possibly have concluded City had acted dishonestly on such flimsy evidence?

The answer, sadly, to the question “when will this get investigated” is “it won’t.” Not because the story isn’t worth researching and writing, but because journalism at this level doesn’t work like that any more.
 
manchester blue said:
This is exactly what a good journalist would focus on in their analysis section of the report. However, Dan Roan wrote it. Tellingly the headline is still about failure to comply..
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Any reporter will tell you that they rarely write the headlines. That was always done by the sub-editors and frequently bore no relationship to the story.
 
petrusha said:
Well, it's been brewing ever since I observed the nauseating, hysterical, hyperbolic glee with which the football press responded to the original Der Spiegel stories based on the Football Leaks materials. I've been waiting ever since to have my say once the matter was properly disposed of, a moment that arrived with this week's publication of the full CAS report.

It probably also doesn't help that I'm currently in a Russian hospital undergoing treatment for Covid and associated pneumonia. I can't say I felt in much of a mood to soft-soap my views, to be honest. (I'm doing fine and am much improved compared with my rather pitiful state earlier in the week, thanks.)
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I had a mild version of Covid a few weeks ago and am still not 100%, so take it easy my friend. Oh, and your earlier post was sublime..
 
Academica said:
When do we expect to hear from the premier league, they can't sit on their so called investigation forever.
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These ghouls, egged on by their puppet masters and chairman vetters the rags and dippers, were no doubt ready to pounce if CAS upheld the ban. They would have apparently hit us with the same FFP violation charges as UEFA plus, I understand, falsifying documentation to gain access to the Champions League to the detriment of other PL clubs.

I can't see, now that CAS have thrown out UEFA's charges of financial wrongdoing, how the PL can pursue their own vendetta against City especially as the PL's own version of FFP wasn't even introduced until a couple of years after UEFA's.
 
Chris in London said:
Frankly, proper journalism in football is dead. Petrusha nails it: the days of proper investigative journalism within football are over.

What was Der Spiegel’s “scoop”? It wasn’t exactly Watergate style detective work. A hacker who had first tried to blackmail City sold the stolen emails to Der Spiegel, who paid for them because they were handed them on a plate.

Because that’s what “journalism” in football at least at PL/CL lever has become. Stories are handed to football writers by “sources” who all have their own agendas. Agents, clubs, UEFA officials etc. Who use the media as pawns to further their own interests. And because these days what pays is what clicks, journalism has basically turned into PR for the G14 clubs.

There used to be some notable exceptions. Henry Winter was once a writer worth reading. Those days are gone. Martin Samuel, much though I respect him, I don’t think does much serious actual journalism these days. Mostly he seems to me to offering his opinion on the issues of the day. Which is well worth reading, don’t get me wrong, but I think his days of chasing the story down are over, and in fairness he’s earned it.

So who is it out there who might answer your question? Why was this disastrous prosecution launched, and how could UEFA possibly have concluded City had acted dishonestly on such flimsy evidence?

The answer, sadly, to the question “when will this get investigated” is “it won’t.” Not because the story isn’t worth researching and writing, but because journalism at this level doesn’t work like that any more.
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Generally we inhabit a censorious world where orthodoxy prevails and any opinion off the beaten track is black-listed. At face-value discrediting the likes of Katie Hopkins and other right wing zealots maybe attractive but after criticism is done with, you are left with one world outlook that is an obstacle to social and scientific progress. Scepticism and discussion should be welcomed but it is not. Some ideas are regarded as offensive and hence banned. You can not for example be a human climate-change sceptic and expect funding or an audience, and hence the process of clarifying and testing ideas is inhibited. Science and the renaissance came hand in glove, without one we would not have had the other. The tale of Galileo and the Catholic church is now legendary but then Galileo and the Copernican view of the solar system were heretical.
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
Sam Lee has a long article in The Athletic giving details of the hearing and the ramifications. A lot of it has been posted on here at different times but I found it interesting and balanced.

https://theathletic.co.uk/1959998/2020/08/01/man-city-v-uefa-cas-verdict/

@gordondaviesmoustache - I still expect you will call him a wankstain..
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It's a shit article. It's a collage of other people's articles, primarily Conn's as he's the only on who mentioned the 2-1 verdict and highlight the fact that City "chose" the chair of the panel. Sam Lee has been fucking clueless on this from day 1, relying on Matt Slater for anything that required some knowledge and insight.
 
the thing with the press/media there know exactly what they are doing put out all the negative shit out about City at CAS than about a week later write a 'more' balance piece giving the true facts that City are 100% innocent and just how poor UEFA . This is done knowing most non City fans will have read the first negative article a week ago and there for wont bother reading the new balance report, abit like the BBC did. Sadly it works, it stinks,
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
It's a shit article. It's a collage of other people's articles, primarily Conn's as he's the only on who mentioned the 2-1 verdict and highlight the fact that City "chose" the chair of the panel. Sam Lee has been fucking clueless on this from day 1, relying on Matt Slater for anything that required some knowledge and insight.
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Those parts are shit I agree. What he has done (or tried to) is flesh out our case and why we chose not to co-operate any more than we did. I'm not seeing any of that from Conn et al.
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
Sam Lee has a long article in The Athletic giving details of the hearing and the ramifications. A lot of it has been posted on here at different times but I found it interesting and balanced.

https://theathletic.co.uk/1959998/2020/08/01/man-city-v-uefa-cas-verdict/

@gordondaviesmoustache - I still expect you will call him a wankstain..
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He repeatedly said that the club would be found guilty - which reveals his true disposition towards the club, and by extension, its supporters.

He was conspicuously wrong on that count of course, something which he’s been making a habit of for some time.

So he dislikes the club and is poor at reading and understanding situations; his writing style is a little insipid too. All of which makes him pitifully equipped to write and opine about Manchester City.

So yes, he’s a wankstain.
 
petrusha said:
Well, it's been brewing ever since I observed the nauseating, hysterical, hyperbolic glee with which the football press responded to the original Der Spiegel stories based on the Football Leaks materials. I've been waiting ever since to have my say once the matter was properly disposed of, a moment that arrived with this week's publication of the full CAS report.

It probably also doesn't help that I'm currently in a Russian hospital undergoing treatment for Covid and associated pneumonia. I can't say I felt in much of a mood to soft-soap my views, to be honest. (I'm doing fine and am much improved compared with my rather pitiful state earlier in the week, thanks.)
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Get well soon! Hope you can come through this without any after effects.
 
petrusha said:
Well, it's been brewing ever since I observed the nauseating, hysterical, hyperbolic glee with which the football press responded to the original Der Spiegel stories based on the Football Leaks materials. I've been waiting ever since to have my say once the matter was properly disposed of, a moment that arrived with this week's publication of the full CAS report.

It probably also doesn't help that I'm currently in a Russian hospital undergoing treatment for Covid and associated pneumonia. I can't say I felt in much of a mood to soft-soap my views, to be honest. (I'm doing fine and am much improved compared with my rather pitiful state earlier in the week, thanks.)
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get well soon pal..
 
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