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Looking at the timescales for joining the EU, the quickest it appears to have happened is Finland where there were three years between a referendum and EU membership. That should be altogether possible in Scotland's case I would have thought. If Scotland can get a referendum for independence in the two years following the end of the transition period it could possibly be quicker than that. Obviously the more law, standards etc are changed following our leaving, the more effort to integrate again. There would seem to be some interim steps that aid the process that could be taken prior to full membership.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Looking at the timescales for joining the EU, the quickest it appears to have happened is Finland where there were three years between a referendum and EU membership. That should be altogether possible in Scotland's case I would have thought. If Scotland can get a referendum for independence in the two years following the end of the transition period it could possibly be quicker than that. Obviously the more law, standards etc are changed following our leaving, the more effort to integrate again. There would seem to be some interim steps that aid the process that could be taken prior to full membership.
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Does Scotland have to accept a law passed by Westminster if the law is less onerous than the one currently in place? We all know that the Tories are going to slash employment rights and regulations .... could The Scottish Parliament vote against those changes and decide to retain current legislation , enabling them to stay closely aligned with the Eu.

After all they do have their own legal system .
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Looking at the timescales for joining the EU, the quickest it appears to have happened is Finland where there were three years between a referendum and EU membership. That should be altogether possible in Scotland's case I would have thought. If Scotland can get a referendum for independence in the two years following the end of the transition period it could possibly be quicker than that. Obviously the more law, standards etc are changed following our leaving, the more effort to integrate again. There would seem to be some interim steps that aid the process that could be taken prior to full membership.
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Even if it’s 2/3 years, they will rely on England granting them a transition for that long, if London and Edinburgh can’t agree they’re outside the UK and EU for at least a couple of years, what will happen to the Scottish economy if they even have one year outside of both?


It’ll totally collapse.

Let’s also not forget Finland were an EFTA member already and took the Euro from day one, Scotland will be joining from outside the EU and EFTA and it’ll be a far more lengthy process to go from the pound to euro.
 
Ban-jani said:
Even if it’s 2/3 years, they will rely on England granting them a transition for that long, if London and Edinburgh can’t agree they’re outside the UK and EU for at least a couple of years, what will happen to the Scottish economy if they even have one year outside of both?


It’ll totally collapse.

Let’s also not forget Finland were an EFTA member already and took the Euro from day one, Scotland will be joining from outside the EU and EFTA and it’ll be a far more lengthy process to go from the pound to euro.
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And why wouldn’t an independent Scotland join EFTA to gain access to the single market. Should be a far quicker process, especially if it is wrapped up during a transition phase? Would be a sensible step towards full EU membership.
 
Just to say the 4th and final member of my (English) family, my daughter, home for first time since March, has finally announced this morning she's warming to Sturgeon, she's always been the most anti SNP member of the family, and will almost definately be voting SNP next year. So our family has gone from just 1 SNP vote at the GE and last Holyrood election, me, to 4 since the GE. Plus gone from just 1 seriously thinking they might support independence to 4. Only heresay but she thinks its a common thought in the hospital she works at.
 
blueparrot said:
Just to say the 4th and final member of my (English) family, my daughter, home for first time since March, has finally announced this morning she's warming to Sturgeon, she's always been the most anti SNP member of the family, and will almost definately be voting SNP next year. So our family has gone from just 1 SNP vote at the GE and last Holyrood election, me, to 4 since the GE. Plus gone from just 1 seriously thinking they might support independence to 4. Only heresay but she thinks its a common thought in the hospital she works at.
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Do you think this is actually because of a wish for independence or just despair at the state of the Westminster govt and tory/labour partys in general?
 
blueparrot said:
Just to say the 4th and final member of my (English) family, my daughter, home for first time since March, has finally announced this morning she's warming to Sturgeon, she's always been the most anti SNP member of the family, and will almost definately be voting SNP next year. So our family has gone from just 1 SNP vote at the GE and last Holyrood election, me, to 4 since the GE. Plus gone from just 1 seriously thinking they might support independence to 4. Only heresay but she thinks its a common thought in the hospital she works at.
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Same in mine. 3 kids. None supported SNP last time, neither did I. All now actively and seriously considering it + their spouses. Brexit and Covid is/has shifted opinion significantly as well as Sturgeon being a far better politician (and human being) than Salmon.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Do you think this is actually because of a wish for independence or just despair at the state of the Westminster govt and tory/labour partys in general?
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Definately the state of Westminster, more than a wish for independence. I still think Sturgeon has impressed a lot and given them somewhere to put their frustrated vote as far as the election goes.Independence is obviously a lot more complicated and when push comes to shove while it's easy to say now, how they would actually vote is another question.
Johnson/ Cummings and the cabinet in general aren't helping and making people that didn't before actually look at the option if nothing else. I have always believed the whole thing could be closed down with a little immagination, and at least a willingness to talk about different options from Westminster, not least with regards to brexit. It's obvious to everyone I speak to, even brexit supporters, that Scotland wants/needs a different solution than England, and a brexit much closer to the one being offered to N. Ireland.
 
blueparrot said:
Definately the state of Westminster, more than a wish for independence. I still think Sturgeon has impressed a lot and given them somewhere to put their frustrated vote as far as the election goes.Independence is obviously a lot more complicated and when push comes to shove while it's easy to say now, how they would actually vote is another question.
Johnson/ Cummings and the cabinet in general aren't helping and making people that didn't before actually look at the option if nothing else. I have always believed the whole thing could be closed down with a little immagination, and at least a willingness to talk about different options from Westminster, not least with regards to brexit. It's obvious to everyone I speak to, even brexit supporters, that Scotland wants/needs a different solution than England, and a brexit much closer to the one being offered to N. Ireland.
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You may have had a look at this already. Its the report by the Sustainable Growth Commission, a Scottish Government backed think tank. They produced this in 2018 covering three aspects of independence: economy growth, fiscal planning, currency. Whilst it raises a good few questions it is undoubtedly the most detailed look at what independence means in terms of the economy. Sorry if you have already read it.
https://www.sustainablegrowthcommission.scot/report
 
blueparrot said:
Just to say the 4th and final member of my (English) family, my daughter, home for first time since March, has finally announced this morning she's warming to Sturgeon, she's always been the most anti SNP member of the family, and will almost definately be voting SNP next year. So our family has gone from just 1 SNP vote at the GE and last Holyrood election, me, to 4 since the GE. Plus gone from just 1 seriously thinking they might support independence to 4. Only heresay but she thinks its a common thought in the hospital she works at.
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I've heard a few friends openly say that about them and their families. People i'd never have expected.

Still don't think it is enough myself, for a different outcome to last time, however. Adds a touch more credibility to the polls i guess.
 
As an Englishman living and working in Scotland i have also warmed greatly to Nicola who imo has shown excellent leadership during the covid crises but warm to Scottish Independence or the SNP in general?

That's a no I'm afraid.
 
blueparrot said:
Just to say the 4th and final member of my (English) family, my daughter, home for first time since March, has finally announced this morning she's warming to Sturgeon, she's always been the most anti SNP member of the family, and will almost definately be voting SNP next year. So our family has gone from just 1 SNP vote at the GE and last Holyrood election, me, to 4 since the GE. Plus gone from just 1 seriously thinking they might support independence to 4. Only heresay but she thinks its a common thought in the hospital she works at.
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She'll grow out of it.

Tell her to watch this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episo...neil-interviews-election-2019-nicola-sturgeon) and she'll see how quickly Sturgeon's populist rhetoric melts under basic journalistic examination.
 
blueparrot said:
She's grown into it as have I and many people up here.
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Me too, a rabid no voter and SNP hater, particularly under salmond. Would vote yes and did vote SNP at the last election, look at the alternative, the Tories are as bad as I've known in my lifetime, it's a no brainer
 
This thread shows some serious insecurities from some of my fellow Engerlanders.

I for one will be claiming asylum should they become independent. Unlike the selfish cunts down here the Scots have a history of giving a fuck about their fellow man and their welfare.
 
mat said:
This thread shows some serious insecurities from some of my fellow Engerlanders.

I for one will be claiming asylum should they become independent. Unlike the selfish cunts down here the Scots have a history of giving a fuck about their fellow man and their welfare.
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They love their welfare up there to be fair.
 
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