The Scottish Politics thread

[blueparrot]

So did Boris’s visit and pep talk help or harm the government today.

Neither, haven't come across anyone that's even mentioned it to be honest.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Neither, haven't come across anyone that's even mentioned it to be honest.

Caught an English reporter on CNN at lunchtime saying he’s noticed a big change in attitude towards the Union recently With people he talks to.

Little hope for cross Atlantic trade deal or trade deal with the EU by year end., not helping.

Thought Boris going up there was all about reassurance.

 

[blueparrot]

Caught an English reporter on CNN at lunchtime saying he’s noticed a big change in attitude towards the Union recently With people he talks to.

Little hope for cross Atlantic trade deal or trade deal with the EU by year end., not helping.

Thought Boris going up there was all about reassurance.

I think there is definitely an upswing in support for independence and it's why he came up, I just think in general the attitude even amongst non independence supporters is pretty indifferent to him at the moment. A very common statement I keep hearing being 'not a fan of her politics but I'm listening to Nicola not Boris'. Even my lifelong Tory voting mum still in Rochdale is saying it, and regretting voting for Boris in November.

 

[JRockBlues]

I think there is definately an upswing in support for independence and it's why he came up, I just think in general the attitude even amongst no independence supporters is pretty indifferent ti him at the moment. A very common statement I keep hearin being 'not a fan of her politics but I'm listening to Nicola not Boris'. Even my lifelong Tory voting mum still in Rochdale is saying it, and regretting voting for Boris in November.

Absolutely...

 

[Ban-jani]

Absolutely...

Ahh yes those highly reliable polls.

Thank god they were correct when remain was polling as comfortable favourite the day before the referendum 2016.

 

[Fame Monster]

I'm not against referenda but I think foisting a devolution referendum on the Scots straight after 18 years of Tory Government has to be one of the worst mistakes New Labour made.

Devolution would always lead to division and I think it's looking increasingly likely we'll see the break-up of the Union even though I think it'll be a disaster for all concerned.

 

[blueparrot]

I'm not against referenda but I think foisting a devolution referendum on the Scots straight after 18 years of Tory Government has to be one of the worst mistakes New Labour made.

Devolution would always lead to division and I think it's looking increasingly likely we'll see the break-up of the Union even though I think it'll be a disaster for all concerned.

Whether it was a mistake or not it was the right thing to do, personally think if there hadn’t been devolution 23 years ago then Scotland would have demanded and probably voted for independence before now.
Think the break up of the union if it comes though will be a direct consequence of Brexit and Johnson’s governments version of brexit. Without both those things doubt there would be any appetite for it it the general population after the last vote.

 

[Ban-jani]

Whether it was a mistake or not it was the right thing to do, personally think if there hadn’t been devolution 23 years ago then Scotland would have demanded and probably voted for independence before now.
Think the break up of the union if it comes though will be a direct consequence of Brexit and Johnson’s governments version of brexit. Without both those things doubt there would be any appetite for it it the general population after the last vote.

Let’s not pretend the Scots Indy movement isn’t far more toxic, far more ridiculous and far more nationalistic than Brexit.

For me it’s like responding to stubbing your toe by blowing your foot off with a shotgun, for the Scottish people.

The SNP conveniently leave all detail out and the suckers to the left, north of the border, swallow the generalised sound bites she spews.

Who’s currency will Scotland use?

How long will it take to rejoin the EU?

What will the England-Scotland border look like?

If the UK doesn’t agree a FTA with the EU, how will Scottish business, which is deep rooted in England too, such as RBS, cope?

Who’s armed forces will defend Scotland?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Let’s not pretend the Scots Indy movement isn’t far more toxic, far more ridiculous and far more nationalistic than Brexit.

For me it’s like responding to stubbing your toe by blowing your foot off with a shotgun, the the Scottish people.

The SNP conveniently leave all detail out and the suckers to the left, north of the border, swallow the generalised sound bites she spews.

Who’s currency will Scotland use?

How long will it take to rejoin the EU?

What will the England-Scotland border look like?

If the UK doesn’t agree a FTA with the EU, how will Scottish business, which is deep rooted in England too, such as RBS, cope?

Who’s armed forces will defend Scotland?

The answer to all of the above would to become a wholly integrated EU state with a hard border at Gretna. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but I think the Scottish economy would currently be running to high a deficit and missing other criteria for EU/euro entry? The SNP need to maintain support, have another referendum and do both at the same time as oil prices recover to make a go of it.

 

[ganganvince]

Let’s not pretend the Scots Indy movement isn’t far more toxic, far more ridiculous and far more nationalistic than Brexit.

For me it’s like responding to stubbing your toe by blowing your foot off with a shotgun, for the Scottish people.

The SNP conveniently leave all detail out and the suckers to the left, north of the border, swallow the generalised sound bites she spews.

Who’s currency will Scotland use?

How long will it take to rejoin the EU?

What will the England-Scotland border look like?

If the UK doesn’t agree a FTA with the EU, how will Scottish business, which is deep rooted in England too, such as RBS, cope?

Who’s armed forces will defend Scotland?

How much of the national debt will they inherit?