CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

[Nascent Blues]

They'd ensure there was some cannon fodder in there, to whom the money was more important than the glory. Do you think Spurs or Arsenal fans would be bothered too much about coming bottom if they were guaranteed £50m just for taking part before a ball was kicked? Probably run it like the CL as well, with groups, play-offs, knock-outs and maybe like the NFL/MLB with two different conferences. So most clubs would have an interest as long as possible.

But at the end of the day you know it would be Bayern, Juve, Real Madrid & Barcelona, with maybe PSG, Liverpool or someone else occasionally getting a look in.

I think the fans would definitely be bothered, as 50 million might as well be 250 million if you end up a bottom feeder. Like you said, the potential winners would be known before a ball was kicked, but I feel the knowledge that you weren't a big fish anymore would cause a greater indifference and apathy in the mind of the fan. Not winning the Premier League is okay when you can look down your nose at the likes of West Ham and Newcastle - it's a bit different when all of a sudden you're craning your neck from constantly looking up.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

How do we know it was Bein?

They were very public about it and it had extensive coverage. The broadcast issue was cited by the PL as a problem. The issue for me is the PL (backed by the UK media) criticising Saudi for human rights abuses while taking huge sums of money from the Qatar regime. Newcastle were stitched up.

https://www.cityam.com/bein-sports-urges-premier-league-to-block-saudi-bid-for-newcastle/

 

[dickie davies]

I’ve said this since it first got discussed. None of the teams who want it can handle not winning their domestic leagues, imagine their reaction to finishing bottom!!

Don't forget that it is American driven and all they're interested in is lining their own pockets
It could actually work though if every piece of income to the clubs went into a central kitty and was distributed equally and there is a rule on how much a club can spend on wages (not a wage cap, but an overall spend)

It's up to the player and their agent to increase their own income via personal sponsorship (footwear deals etc)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Sorry to be ignorant of the full 90 od pages but is it possible the one against was actually not in agreement with any fine rather than assuming the one dissenter was pto UEFA?

There were a huge number of different issues to rule on and there are paragraphs where it says "the Panel" and some where it says "the majority of the Panel". So it wasn't a simple case of a single decision being made but a series of subsidiary decisions. I've made the case that a dissenting decision for the €10m fine on the non-cooperation charge could have been no fine at all, a fine but a lesser amount or a fine but a higher amount. We just don't know.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

Why all the dicussion when the case is closed?

Furthers and perpetuates the myth that our innocence is up for debate and gives the fuckers more ammunition.

As CAS themselves say; "MANCHESTER CITY FCDID NOTDISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONSBUTDID FAIL TO COOPERATE WITH THE UEFAAUTHORITIES"

Whether 2 judges or 3 agreed it doesn't actually matter.

 

[ancoats]

so looking forward to the real madrid game on friday just to see what reaction uefa will take with their match officials after losing the CAS case ? they (uefa) would be daft to drop the hammer fully on that game, everybody will be watching and anything can happen, but hanging out a match official in a big game will be foolish and daft knowing manchester city will kick off big time

yes real madrid are good enough to win the tie and 2,1 down is not impossible to turn around, but also manchester city are good enough to smash real madrid and take the game away from madrid in a flash, but match officials and VAR are also a big game leveller and control the game ? if the cards start coming our way early doors and free kicks and players diving city players can quickly lose control

uefa will know how to get to us and the pick of match official will be key ? officials under uefa orders are a problem in any uefa game city play. but facing real madrid you know the call and dare you not give them everything

 

[ancoats]

Why all the dicussion when the case is closed?

Furthers and perpetuates the myth that our innocence is up for debate and gives the fuckers more ammunition.

As CAS themselves say; "MANCHESTER CITY FCDID NOTDISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONSBUTDID FAIL TO COOPERATE WITH THE UEFAAUTHORITIES"

Whether 2 judges or 3 agreed it doesn't actually matter.

i still don't understand the £10 million fine for not cooperating with uefa ? what did manchester city do to end up with a fine in the first place if we are not guilty and innocent of any wrong doings, this is wrong and takes any punishment to uefa when manchester city can ask for compensation

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

We won, no?

 

[KS55]

They were very public about it and it had extensive coverage. The broadcast issue was cited by the PL as a problem. The issue for me is the PL (backed by the UK media) criticising Saudi for human rights abuses while taking huge sums of money from the Qatar regime. Newcastle were stitched up.

https://www.cityam.com/bein-sports-urges-premier-league-to-block-saudi-bid-for-newcastle/

Thanks for that

 

[old blue]

So in 2017, the ‘Big Three’ of the Premier League were a team without a title in five years, a team without a title in twelve years and a team without a title in twenty seven years.

That is a bloody strange ‘Big Three’!

It is because at the end of the meal the trio gave a rendition of " some other guy".

 

[spiny]

We won, no?

Yes we did :) Case closed!
The consequences of losing were unthinkable.

 

[The perfect fumble]

i still don't understand the £10 million fine for not cooperating with uefa ? what did manchester city do to end up with a fine in the first place if we are not guilty and innocent of any wrong doings, this is wrong and takes any punishment to uefa when manchester city can ask for compensation

I can't recall the exact wording, but I think I'm right in saying that CAS ruled that UEFA were justified in pursuing an investigation, consequently our non co-operation was not justified, hence the fine, they did however consider the original fine excessive.

 

[KS55]

i still don't understand the £10 million fine for not cooperating with uefa ? what did manchester city do to end up with a fine in the first place if we are not guilty and innocent of any wrong doings, this is wrong and takes any punishment to uefa when manchester city can ask for compensation

There is still the ethics committee hearing. If they want to squash Leterme, they could voluntarily reduce or cancel the fine on the grounds of the leaks not being addressed by him. Oh, and pigs might fly.

 

[spiny]

It is because at the end of the meal the trio gave a rendition of " some other guy".

I remember that song too. The Big Three were a Liverpool group contempory With the Beatles - see what I did there?

At one time the Big Three were bigger than the Beatles before Hamburg. Massive indeed.

 

[dickie davies]

i still don't understand the £10 million fine for not cooperating with uefa ? what did manchester city do to end up with a fine in the first place if we are not guilty and innocent of any wrong doings, this is wrong and takes any punishment to uefa when manchester city can ask for compensation

CAS takes a very disapproving view of a participants non cooperation with a governing body and we admitted non cooperation, but with mitigating circumstances
CAS said in the judgement that if we had provided the same evidence to UEFA, that UEFA may have come to the same conclusion as CAS and said there actually were no charges to answer, so CAS wouldn't have got involved
The reason City didn't cooperate fully was that UEFA were leaking information to the media, so we weren't going to give them sensitive business information, from ourselves or sponsor partners if there was a chance it would end up in the press.
ln the CAS judgement it is also said that City have reported the press leaks to UEFA's ethics committee and that an investigation is ongoing, so we haven't heard the last of this

It seems that when City reported the leaks to the ethics committee, Rick Parry left UEFA and since the CAS verdict, Liverpool's chief exec has returned to the USA
Make of that what you will

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Why all the dicussion when the case is closed?

Furthers and perpetuates the myth that our innocence is up for debate and gives the fuckers more ammunition.

As CAS themselves say; "MANCHESTER CITY FCDID NOTDISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONSBUTDID FAIL TO COOPERATE WITH THE UEFAAUTHORITIES"

Whether 2 judges or 3 agreed it doesn't actually matter.

I don't think they need any ammunition at all. I've heard quite a few people in the media talking about it since, and the prevailing assumption is that FFP doesn't have the authority to enforce its rules, rather than what is actually the case, which is that the rules weren't actually broken in the first place. They made up their mind long before the case was even brought and they're not about to change it now. They've dug themselves too deep to now accept the judgement of an independent arbitration panel that actually saw all of the evidence.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I don't think they need any ammunition at all. I've heard quite a few people in the media talking about it since, and the prevailing assumption is that FFP doesn't have the authority to enforce its rules, rather than what is actually the case, which is that the rules weren't actually broken in the first place. They made up their mind long before the case was even brought and they're not about to change it now. They've dug themselves too deep to now accept the judgement of an independent arbitration panel that actually saw all of the evidence.

It's blindingly obvious that the lack of power to compel opening books makes it difficult to put forward evidence to prove anything.

They have the authority, they don't have the capability to find what they would need.

 

[ancoats]

CAS takes a very disapproving view of a participants non cooperation with a governing body and we admitted non cooperation, but with mitigating circumstances
CAS said in the judgement that if we had provided the same evidence to UEFA, that UEFA may have come to the same conclusion as CAS and said there actually were no charges to answer, so CAS wouldn't have got involved
The reason City didn't cooperate fully was that UEFA were leaking information to the media, so we weren't going to give them sensitive business information, from ourselves or sponsor partners if there was a chance it would end up in the press.
ln the CAS judgement it is also said that City have reported the press leaks to UEFA's ethics committee and that an investigation is ongoing, so we haven't heard the last of this

It seems that when City reported the leaks to the ethics committee, Rick Parry left UEFA and since the CAS verdict, Liverpool's chief exec has returned to the USA
Make of that what you will

well if uefa was leaking information to the media that alone should be in breach of the laws and uefa should be punished if found guilt of doing that, and for rick parry well liverpool got caught hacking city books and city so called settled out of court but that stinks as well

 

[dickie davies]

well if uefa was leaking information to the media that alone should be in breach of the laws and uefa should be punished if found guilt of doing that, and for rick parry well liverpool got caught hacking city books and city so called settled out of court but that stinks as well

The result of the ethics committee investigation is when we'll find out if Ceferin has any bollocks and if we do have allies in UEFA

 

[ancoats]

There is still the ethics committee hearing. If they want to squash Leterme, they could voluntarily reduce or cancel the fine on the grounds of the leaks not being addressed by him. Oh, and pigs might fly.

if uefa are offering a olive branch and had talks with city then the £10 million fine should be squashed or put back into city in the community charities