COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Nebuchadnezzar]

The counties of Kildare, Laois and Offaly are on restriction again over here.

I'm 2 days into a 14 day isolation after coming back from Manchester the other day. Taking daily temp readings and all good so far, sent the Mrs down the shop before for a few beers for the game. Happy out.

 

[Ban-jani]

Who do you support?

I know this is very rich but you’ll argue about anything Kaz lol x

 

[True_Blue69]

A Swedish ER doctor writes about his view of the pandemic if somebody is interested.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/

Give the man a TV documentary, oh wait.....

 

[andyhinch]

Sorry Wilmslow is not listed as a separate health area (even lower tier). But Cheshire East is,

Deaths 428. Rating 111

Cheers

 

[city saint]

Just one new thing I have found. You can now access numbers of deaths for each GM town and the comparative rate versus similar populations with elsewhere (like the pop score)

Here is this terrible list so far:

Bolton 329 (rating 114)

Bury 233 (rating 122)

Manchester 405 (73)

Oldham 240 (101)

Rochdale 243 (109)

Salford 274 (106)

Stockport 304 (107)

Tameside 294 (130)

Trafford 233 (98)

Wigan 351 (107)


So Manchester the lowest and Tameside the highest is a bit of a surprise there.

Happy to check anywhere by request if anyone wants a health authority outside GM looking up.

live in newton le willows pal near st helens

 

[lancs blue]

Preston in lockdown from midnight, getting closer to me!

 

[Healdplace]

live in newton le willows pal near st helens

St Helens 168 deaths score rating 93.

If its Warrington instead 178 deaths score rating 85

Both are pretty low by GM standards.

 

[Healdplace]

The lowest health areas in the country are

Hastings 8 deaths rating 8.6 (only single figure rating)

South Hams 9 deaths rating 10.3

Norwich 17 deaths rating 12.1

Highest health areas in the country are

Hertsmere 150 deaths rating 143

Middlesbrough 193 deaths rating 136.9


Tameside in GM is the highest in the NW at 294 deaths and rating 129.8


Birmingham is the health area with by far the most deaths - hundreds ahead of the rest at 1075 but as it is so large its rating is only a fairly modest 94.1

Though that is higher than most large cities such as Manchester, (405/73.3), Leeds (530/66/8), Sheffield (476/ 81.4) or Liverpool (415/ 85.3)

Derby (at 258/100.3) is one of the worst major cities I could find. And Bristol one of the best (at 156 / 33.7)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

St Helens 168 deaths score rating 93.

If its Warrington instead 178 deaths score rating 85

Both are pretty low by GM standards.

St Helens has been locked down since 1985!

 

[Ban-jani]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...killed-two-people-three-died-coronavirus.html

@kaz7

I know it’s the Mail but they’re using the government’s own figures.

16,000 for 25,000 that died during the peak, died not from Coronavirus but because of lockdown, in 5 weeks.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8605885/Lockdown-killed-two-people

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8605885/Lockdown-killed-two-people-three-died-coronavirus.html

@kaz7

I know it’s the Mail but they’re using the government’s own figures.

16,000 out 25,000 that died during the peak, died not from Coronavirus but because of lockdown, in 5 weeks.

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@kaz7

I know it’s the Mail but they’re using the government’s own figures.

16,000 out 25,000 that died during the peak, died not from Coronavirus but because of lockdown, in 5 weeks.

Even the Mail doesn’t claim that mate. Have a read of the headline again that says 25k died of the virus.

 

[Len Rum]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...killed-two-people-three-died-coronavirus.html

@kaz7

I know it’s the Mail but they’re using the government’s own figures.

16,000 out 25,000 that died during the peak, died not from Coronavirus but because of lockdown, in 5 weeks.

I read it as 16k died FOR every 25k who died of coronavirus i.e. not 16k OF every 25k.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I read it as 16k died FOR every 25k who died of coronavirus i.e. not 16k OF every 25k.

Yes mate.

I wonder if Cummings wrote this paper?

 

[Ban-jani]

I read it as 16k died FOR every 25k who died of coronavirus i.e. not 16k OF every 25k.

Regardless it proves my point that a significant amount are dying from lockdown itself, in fact, it’s more than I thought.

 

[Ban-jani]

Even the Mail doesn’t claim that mate. Have a read of the headline again that says 25k died of the virus.

It’s early... still proves the point I wanted to make which was a significant number will die due to lockdown.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

It’s early... still proves the point I wanted to make which was a significant will die due to lockdown.

I know mate and I’m sure we were all celebrating a fine win.

 

[Ban-jani]

I know mate and I’m sure we were all celebrating a fine win.

I was off the booze, been up early for a golf trip today.

It was a great night though.

 

[urban genie]

It’s early... still proves the point I wanted to make which was a significant number will die due to lockdown.

Because our public services are not sufficient to deal with a lockdown, patients removed from hospitals and treatments put off so the main hospitals could deal with covid.

All along the nightingale hospitals with non specialist medical staff sat empty, a health secretary with a brain would have utilized them for non covid care once it was clear they were not needed.

Lockdown didn't kill them a failiure of common sense and governance did.

 

[lancs blue]

It’s early... still proves the point I wanted to make which was a significant number will die due to lockdown.

But even if there was no lockdown, while the virus was still around those 6,000 people who were too "scared" to go to hospitals/surgeries would still stay away and die while even more would die of the virus.

 

[twosips]

But even if there was no lockdown, while the virus was still around those 6,000 people who were too "scared" to go to hospitals/surgeries would still stay away and die while even more would die of the virus.

Spot on. The anti-lockdown people all operate around the presumption that behaviours would have been different. They wouldn't.