Kalidou Koulibaly

nmc said:
Your logic is correct but ADL is one of those guys like Donald Trump or Boris Johnson who has zero emotional intelligence and a limited grasp of reality. He’s a bluffer and a bullshitter who will play poker - because that’s what he does - even when he doesn’t have a decent hand. I do wonder whether City are prepared to play his stupid games and tolerate his bad behaviour for too long- I guess it depends on how much we want plan A or whether plan B looks almost as good an option. If KK is plan A and Diego Carlos is plan B - I think we’ll move to plan B quite quickly If we don’t think we can deal with ADL.
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Unlike in 2018, we know his position is comparatively weak. There appear to be no other bidders to create an auction, they don’t have Champions League or indeed gate money, and he has to finance a rebuild or fall further behind Roma and Lazio.

Our weakness is the lack of a viable alternative and the gamble that we might walk away and prefer to go through the season with Laporte/Ake/Fernandinho/Stones. If that seems plausible enough to ADL, he‘ll have to swallow the pill and take what deal we offer.
 
lasereyes said:
Problem is this is the same video that gets posted every time. Watch City/Chelsea or City/PSG (twice) and tell me how Mangala is not a beast based on those games (and that's the whole matches, not a highlight reel).
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Koulibaly has been looked at by almost every top team around europe the last 2 or 3 years, Mangala wasn't. That tells us everything we need to know about the difference between Mangala and Koulibaly.
 
Think this deal will get done soon! Apparently Napoli wants 70m and we offered 63m, so I think a compromise could be close.
But who knows really, that Napoli president is one tough cookie.
 
Gremlin said:
Well, duh - they were hardly going to sell him to the lowest bidder. Clearly Signore Pedulla spent a lot of time in journalism school.
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Alternatively read as an advert: Napoli are currently having to sell Koulibaly at a knock-down price. If you bid even slightly more, because they desperately need every last cent, he’s your player.
 
Gabriel said:
Unlike in 2018, we know his position is comparatively weak. There appear to be no other bidders to create an auction, they don’t have Champions League or indeed gate money, and he has to finance a rebuild or fall further behind Roma and Lazio.

Our weakness is the lack of a viable alternative and the gamble that we might walk away and prefer to go through the season with Laporte/Ake/Fernandinho/Stones. If that seems plausible enough to ADL, he‘ll have to swallow the pill and take what deal we offer.
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Also I really don’t think any other club, not even the rags, will lay down circa £65mil this window on a 29 year old centre back. We normally wouldn’t, but these aren’t ordinary times and it’s a luxury we can afford.
 
Gabriel said:
Alternatively read as an advert: Napoli are currently having to sell Koulibaly at a knock-down price. If you bid even slightly more, because they desperately need every last cent, he’s your player.
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Unless the player has a strong preference and has made it clear to prospective other bidders. Which would be good for us if we are his preffered destination. Same as Sane.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Also I really don’t think any other club, not even the rags, will lay down circa £65mil this window on a 29 year old centre back. We normally wouldn’t, but these aren’t ordinary times and it’s a luxury we can afford.
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True. Napoli tried to flush out Juventus and Internazionale on Monday, no takers, and they tried to get ‘that lot’ interested yesterday, which again seems to have been stonewalled. Kind of them. Leaves Napoli in a tough position. Still reckon he’ll come in a deal for around €65m, at which point the flappers on here will take off, but then in a couple of weeks, perhaps, Zinchenko will join Napoli for an undisclosed fee.
 
blueparrot said:
Unless the player has a strong preference and has made it clear to prospective other bidders. Which would be good for us if we are his preffered destination. Same as Sane.
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I get the impression Koulibaly would stay there if he sensed Napoli were a team on the up and could reward him accordingly, but they’re not and they can’t. He’s served them well and now deserves his chance elsewhere. Doubt very much that he would rock the boat to leave and for us I’m sure that’s actually another admirable characteristic.
 
I haven’t seen much of this guy, but his age, price, a few injuries (I believe) plus ACN every 2 years, is he worth 60 to 70 m? The 2 times I watched him he definitely wasn’t, but that’s only 2 games
 
BringBackSwales said:
I haven’t seen much of this guy, but his age, price, a few injuries (I believe) plus ACN every 2 years, is he worth 60 to 70 m? The 2 times I watched him he definitely wasn’t, but that’s only 2 games
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The problem is that Maguire cost 80.

Of course KK isn't worth it, but because of the actions of others, how much cheaper can we expect to get KK, who has always been better than Maguire ?
 
Neville Kneville said:
The problem is that Maguire cost 80.

Of course KK isn't worth it, but because of the actions of others, how much cheaper can we expect to get KK, who has always been better than Maguire ?
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Maguire also came with a homegrown premium, but his cost will increasingly be called into question if Ake outperforms him this season.
 
Neville Kneville said:
The problem is that Maguire cost 80.

Of course KK isn't worth it, but because of the actions of others, how much cheaper can we expect to get KK, who has always been better than Maguire ?
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Cheers. I don’t get to watch much football, apart from City, so was just wondering if there wasn’t someone younger out there, with equal ability, not playing for a club with a **** as owner, and ideally not away with ACN for up to 2 minted every 2 years, and not heading towards an age where injuries and slowing down are more likely
 
BringBackSwales said:
Cheers. I don’t get to watch much football, apart from City, so was just wondering if there wasn’t someone younger out there, with equal ability, not playing for a club with a **** as owner, and ideally not away with ACN for up to 2 minted every 2 years, and not heading towards an age where injuries and slowing down are more likely
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...yes, we bought him last week ;)
 
Gabriel said:
Maguire also came with a homegrown premium, but his cost will increasingly be called into question if Ake outperforms him this season.
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But it's still a benchmark transfer, for basically a 'competent' cb. 80 million quid!

We wanted him because we are struggling to even find 'competent' cbs. But Utd have priced that at 80 mil. Without their intervention, we would have eventually signed him much cheaper, including the premium.

The Utd desperation premium is putting 20- 30 mil on transfers & 50% on wages.
 
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