COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Healdplace]

German study of 2203 people in Kupferzell where a church concert created an outbreak early in the pandemic found that 7.7 % had antibodies, suggesting four times as many people were infected than found at the time.

And that almost one in 5 of those with antibodies had no symptoms at the time.

Tests were done about 3 months after the outbreak.

 

[purplenose]

Looking at that we shouldn’t be even considering not opening schools and closing the economy.

The virus is blatantly weaker now.

I am very much on the cautious side with this virus. Think we lost 1000s because Boris fucked up etc, Would cheerfully turn the flame throwers on the panic buyers, Bournemouth beach types and BLM lot for risking all of us. I am concerned what might be the consequence of schools re-opening and so on......

But, As fitting with what a few doctors have suggested there would appear to be an increasingly lesser chance of being seriously ill or snuffing it from this. Not sure at all what to make of it. I think we need to know and I suspect more will become clear in the next month or so.

 

[west didsblue]

I posted in the political thread about the stats behind the reduction in deaths (no responses to that) but I did also notice this from ONS.

"In Week 31, the number of deaths registered was 1.0% below the five-year average (90 deaths fewer); this is the seventh consecutive week that deaths have been below the five-year average.

"The number of deaths in care homes, hospitals and other communal establishments remained below the five-year average in Week 31, while the number of deaths in private homes continued to be higher than the five-year average (676 more deaths)."

If I read that right, that means deaths from Covid took such a toll that there are now fewer people dying from old age because so many already died from Covid. And deaths in homes and hospitals are lower because there are fewer people in homes and hospitals (whether choice or fear or lack of places) so more die at home.

I'm really not sure if this is good news or not.

That was my conclusion as well.
I think the ONS excess deaths figure by year end will head towards the Covid deaths figure as the year goes on due to fewer vulnerable people dying than normal because they've already died, and over the next five years including this one the overall excess deaths won't be much different to any pre-Covid 5 year period.

 

[west didsblue]

Theirs more to this whole charade now.
The tourism and travel sector is finished.
Their is statistically more people week on week now dying of the flu than cv19.
Week by week we are getting state controlled and our democracy ebbing away.
Yes we have had a pandemic but now is the time to get in with life and learn to live with it.
Why is the uk government not doing this, have they a masterplan for the future and changing the way we live?

That is because we have finally got Covid under control. It doesn't mean that it won't go out of control again if all restrictions are suddenly lifted. Look at the USA.
Calling it a charade and speculating about some weird government conspiracy is pure ignorance, as is your spelling of there.

 

[BlueAnorak]

As I understand it if the doctor puts covid on the certificate it will still be counted even after the 28 days in the ONS figures.

Correct

 

[grunge]

I posted in the political thread about the stats behind the reduction in deaths (no responses to that) but I did also notice this from ONS.

"In Week 31, the number of deaths registered was 1.0% below the five-year average (90 deaths fewer); this is the seventh consecutive week that deaths have been below the five-year average.

"The number of deaths in care homes, hospitals and other communal establishments remained below the five-year average in Week 31, while the number of deaths in private homes continued to be higher than the five-year average (676 more deaths)."

If I read that right, that means deaths from Covid took such a toll that there are now fewer people dying from old age because so many already died from Covid. And deaths in homes and hospitals are lower because there are fewer people in homes and hospitals (whether choice or fear or lack of places) so more die at home.

I'm really not sure if this is good news or not.

We were well below average for most of the time before the outbreak too.

 

[west didsblue]

@BlueAnorak
Correct and Spot on.
You must be really sure ;-)

 

[somapop]

We were well below average for most of the time before the outbreak too.

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Indeed. Before all this I'd like to think the population is generally getting fitter and healthier (less people smoking and drinking and gym memberships, running are all up...). Plus huge advances in the medicine world (ooh the irony the moment).

Would've been much lower were it not for this bastardo CV19 too...some positives there then.

 

[somapop]

I think the terms 'living with the new normal' need putting to bed too. Sometime soon (maybe early next year) things will indeed return to the old normal (give or take healthier decisions made, hygiene issues and other 'reviews'). I don't want to be air elbowing people, not shaking hands, not kissing, not mingling in sweaty gig venues...it's the antithesis of what humans are about. Also issues of not coming into contact with people for sometime can have counter effects on our immunity.
We'll have learned massive amounts from all this...it's exposed a fair deal of things.

 

[True_Blue69]

Typical me me me approach, and fuck the vulnerable let them die, who needs them, waste of space, just their bad luck if the carch it.

Pretty sure that is not anyone’s attitudes. The vulnerable have been advised to shield from day one of this and I don’t see this changing any time soon. The issue at the moment is the vulnerable are shielding and making their own decisions based on what they they think the risk level is to them.

All those not classed as vulnerable are also being impacted massively and are losing jobs, which may lead to losing houses and serious financial issues etc. Both groups of people are being impacted and need to be considered. The high risk can protect themselves by shielding and following guidance, the non-vulnerable have no option as their jobs are being destroyed who is looking out for them?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Theirs more to this whole charade now.
The tourism and travel sector is finished.
Their is statistically more people week on week now dying of the flu than cv19.
Week by week we are getting state controlled and our democracy ebbing away.
Yes we have had a pandemic but now is the time to get in with life and learn to live with it.
Why is the uk government not doing this, have they a masterplan for the future and changing the way we live?

If the government does nothing we will be back to having 200,000+ deaths due to UK population density. This will be the case until a vaccine is available.

 

[cleavers]

We haven't had a pandemic. We are HAVING a pandemic.

You were wasting your time responding to that.

 

[grunge]

Theirs more to this whole charade now.
The tourism and travel sector is finished.
Their is statistically more people week on week now dying of the flu than cv19.
Week by week we are getting state controlled and our democracy ebbing away.
Yes we have had a pandemic but now is the time to get in with life and learn to live with it.
Why is the uk government not doing this, have they a masterplan for the future and changing the way we live?

Have you looked at the death toll in the States and Brazil. You want that here do you?

USA, 170k dead, currently nearly 18k in intensive care and those numbers are climbing rapidly, currently 50k new cases a day and 1500-2000 deaths a day depending on your source.

 

[cleavers]

Looking at that we shouldn’t be even considering not opening schools and closing the economy.

The virus is blatantly weaker now.

The virus is the virus, it isn't weaker or stronger, just people have changed they way they behave because of it.

Not as many are dying because 1) not as many are catching it (at the moment) and 2) most of the most vulnerable to dying from it, already have died.

 

[Gray]

SkyNews (@SkyNews) Tweeted: BREAKING: France, Malta and the Netherlands are among the new countries added to the UK's quarantine list.

Travellers returning from those countries must self-isolate for 14 days on arrival in the UK from 4am on Saturday morning.

More here: https://t.co/vS0uuJY2Bu https://t.co/0ZUTyj0x8j

Do the restrictions apply to those coming from France in rubber dinghies?

 

[kaz7]

Theirs more to this whole charade now.
The tourism and travel sector is finished.
Their is statistically more people week on week now dying of the flu than cv19.
Week by week we are getting state controlled and our democracy ebbing away.
Yes we have had a pandemic but now is the time to get in with life and learn to live with it.
Why is the uk government not doing this, have they a masterplan for the future and changing the way we live?

Ffs

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland 65 cases - 28 in Grampian area - 1.6% of tests. Highest yet.

 

[Healdplace]

Deaths 0 again (29 days) Still 3 icu and hospital patients 253 (- 5).

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Looking at that we shouldn’t be even considering not opening schools and closing the economy.

The virus is blatantly weaker now.

 

[Ban-jani]

The virus is the virus, it isn't weaker or stronger, just people have changed they way they behave because of it.

Not as many are dying because 1) not as many are catching it (at the moment) and 2) most of the most vulnerable to dying from it, already have died.

I disagree mate, infections are going up but not deaths, since lockdown ended the spike in deaths hasn’t been that great at all, I think it weakening, which is typical for a virus.

Or vulnerable people aren’t getting it but the healthy are? Bit of both maybe?

Either way it’s good news.