Douglas Luiz

skyblues said:
Gundogan deserves more credit.
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Does he, though? I can't say I've seen him look particularly arsed or motivated for a long time now. Just my opinion, of course, but I wouldn't shed a tear if he was to leave this window.

Edit: For the record, I'm not saying Luiz is the right man either. I'd love Saúl or Aouar, though.
 
SleepingBlueTiger said:
Whenever I watched him I thought not only he wasn't enough for us but that he wasn't good enough for Villa.

Some people have said he improved in the last games of the season but that is such a big risk. Huddersfield also looked good defensively 2 years ago, 3 months later they performed so bad the Derby County record was under threat.
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He was Villas best player post lock down, that is not even a discussion. Took him a while to get up to speed with the prem, then he was very good. Can see this, for a few examples showing his strength, speed, quickness into tackles and into covering spaces.

Includes winning the ball from Saint-Maxmin and Traore who are not exactly slow!
 
We can't always be about buying players at the top of their game...
we also have to be about buying players with potential, and bringing them on.

We've bought plenty of players who we thought were good enough and they turned out to be dross.
 
It’s hard to compare Douglas to Bennacer or Aouar (who I consider more a creative rather than defensive midfielder). I just hope the clubs scouting is spot on this time, looking at statistics etc.
 
Kladze said:
Does he, though? I can't say I've seen him look particularly arsed or motivated for a long time now. Just my opinion, of course, but I wouldn't shed a tear if he was to leave this window.

Edit: For the record, I'm not saying Luiz is the right man either. I'd love Saúl or Aouar, though.
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Saul was the guy to go for last season. There were strong links to him and then it just died down suddently.
 
Silva_Spell said:
Maybe but we've seen him struggle in the PL for longer (and during a time the integrity of the league wasn't in question - ignoring VAR) than he has done well. Some of that may be down to youth, new country etc. but it's unknown at this point.

Zucullini looked decent in pre season too. I don't put much stock in that.

Luiz has talent and looks like he could become an allrounder type DM like Dinho was but it's far from certain and likely wouldn't happen for a few years yet at the needed consistency and with the buy back only going up a few mill next summer and this summer being so important - we must as least win back the PL - I'd be going for guaranteed quality, esp. in midfield.

Another year developing at Villa rather than being in and out of the team here (and probably sometimes not even on the bench) would probably be better for him in the long run.
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He looked considerably better than Zucullini ever did, or will, and another year at Villa is not real development.

I’d love to have him back but fear that shifting Fernandinho and Zinchenko could prove difficult. I doubt that we’ll buy what you suggest and instead will muddle through yet again with a patchwork of players asked to play in uncomfortable positions. An early injury to Rodri and we‘ll be right up the creek, so for me there’s nothing to Luiz...
 
Do the work permit issues that affected him playing for us before not still apply if we wanted to exercise the buy back ? Not guaranteed a starting place at City and not enough caps for Brazil would both hinder any application issues or does the permit he gained before signing for Villa mean previous restrictions don't apply ?
 
stan bowles said:
Do the work permit issues that affected him playing for us before not still apply if we wanted to exercise the buy back ? Not guaranteed a starting place at City and not enough caps for Brazil would both hinder any application issues or does the permit he gained before signing for Villa mean previous restrictions don't apply ?
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I would imagine the latter.
 
stan bowles said:
Do the work permit issues that affected him playing for us before not still apply if we wanted to exercise the buy back ? Not guaranteed a starting place at City and not enough caps for Brazil would both hinder any application issues or does the permit he gained before signing for Villa mean previous restrictions don't apply ?
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I think once he's played enough for Villa he's pretty much free to play for anyone in the PL.
 
If we opt to sign Douglas Luiz instead of going for Aouar, i will be so disappointed. I like Douglas Luiz, but we need Aouar a lot more.

Either buy Douglas Luiz and loan him back to Villa or let him stay at Villa and develop for another season. We won't be able to find a place for him in our midfield this season.
 
CenturyClub said:
If we opt to sign Douglas Luiz instead of going for Aouar, i will be so disappointed. I like Douglas Luiz, but we need Aouar a lot more.

Either buy Douglas Luiz and loan him back to Villa or let him stay at Villa and develop for another season. We won't be able to find a place for him in our midfield this season.
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Luiz has experience in the prem didn’t think that Aouar looked all that
 
bondsman said:
Luiz has experience in the prem didn’t think that Aouar looked all that
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Douglas Luiz is not the finished article, far from it. He performed well for 3 months of the season, other than that he looked very ordinary. I am not saying he is a bad player, because he isn't, he is a very capable player... but there is a reason Houssem Aouar is talked about and touted as the next big thing across Europe and Douglas Luiz isn't linked to any other big club.

He is 22 years old and already looks like a leader amongst a very young Lyon side. He would be a fantastic fit for us.

I just don't want Txiki shopping in Poundland when this is the time to shop in Harrods. This is a big rebuild job here, we aren't replacing average run of the mill players, we are replacing some of the best players the premier league has ever seen. We MUST get this absolutely spot on.
 
CenturyClub said:
Douglas Luiz is not the finished article, far from it. He performed well for 3 months of the season, other than that he looked very ordinary. I am not saying he is a bad player, because he isn't, he is a very capable player... but there is a reason Houssem Aouar is talked about and touted as the next big thing across Europe and Douglas Luiz isn't linked to any other big club.

He is 22 years old and already looks like a leader amongst a very young Lyon side. He would be a fantastic fit for us.

I just don't want Txiki shopping in Poundland when this is the time to shop in Harrods. This is a big rebuild job here, we aren't replacing average run of the mill players, we are replacing some of the best players the premier league has ever seen. We MUST get this absolutely spot on.
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Luiz and Aouar will fulfill different functions at the club, and if we only bring in the latter this year, it’ll have less to do with the former’s ability and likely more to do with us being able to prise off some of the barnacles that have taken hold on our bench.
 
Liverpool are going for the World Class Thiago, whilst are going for Douglas Luiz. Makes no sense whatsoever. We have to be aiming towards players who actually improve our first 11, and not just beef up the squad!

Do we want to catch up to Liverpool or drop further behind? We've just been dumped out of the Champions League by a team who's finished 7th in the French League. Time to Wake up now City.

Our recruitment has to be spot on like in the Summer of 2017. We made the mistake with Angelino last summer, we can't make the same mistake twice!
 
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JoshH7611 said:
Liverpool are going for the World Class Thiago, whilst are going for Douglas Luiz. Makes no sense whatsoever. We have to be aiming towards players who actually improve our first 11, and not just beef up the squad!

Do we want to catch up to Liverpool or drop further behind? We've just been dumped out of the Champions League by a team who's finished 7th in the French League. Time to Wake up now City.

Our recruitment has to be spot on like in the Summer of 2017. We made the mistake with Angelino last summer, we can't make the same mistake twice!
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TBF Angelino looks good at Leipzig, not sure he was genuinely given a chance. Never got the leeway Mendy has had
 
CenturyClub said:
Douglas Luiz is not the finished article, far from it. He performed well for 3 months of the season, other than that he looked very ordinary. I am not saying he is a bad player, because he isn't, he is a very capable player... but there is a reason Houssem Aouar is talked about and touted as the next big thing across Europe and Douglas Luiz isn't linked to any other big club.

He is 22 years old and already looks like a leader amongst a very young Lyon side. He would be a fantastic fit for us.

I just don't want Txiki shopping in Poundland when this is the time to shop in Harrods. This is a big rebuild job here, we aren't replacing average run of the mill players, we are replacing some of the best players the premier league has ever seen. We MUST get this absolutely spot on.
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But he is a player Pep did not want to leave, so he must see a player in him.
 
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