Liverpool thread 2019/20

[M18CTID]

Indeed. And Liverpool FC and their fans have done enough bad stuff in living memory that it seems a bit superfluous to bring up stuff that happened before they even existed.

Sureiy we’re allowed to bring up the fact that Everton were winning league titles at Anfield before Liverpool even existed though? I’m guessing that will meet with the approval of @Toffeedude ;)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And Shankly himself from Melwood; not that he’d know that, of course.

 

[Toffeedude]

Sureiy we’re allowed to bring up the fact that Everton were winning league titles at Anfield before Liverpool even existed though? I’m guessing that will meet with the approval of @Toffeedude ;)

Of course

Though we should have just paid the rent instead of creating a monster

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Of course

Though we should have just paid the rent instead of creating a monster

As City fans, we know all too well the feeling of previous benevolence towards our neighbours counting for nothing.

 

[Jazzman]

Someone diagnosed with covid in their trainingcamp in Austria apparently. The person is in isolation in their hotel.

 

[shackattack]

It’s a city built largely on the back of unimaginable human suffering.

Or as we call it - being an evertonian :-)

 

[trotsky]

The slave ships leaving Liverpool were full of textiles from the Lancashire area, Manchester included. The cotton brought back was heading to the mills of Lancashire.

Nobody living today should take blame for what went on in the past, though we should never forget it happened.

I think you need to look up the letter President Lincoln wrote to the people of Manchester for their part in bringing an end to the slave trade. ‘Manchester’ is one of the most common place names across the States for that reason.
it may all be in the past, but Liverpool’s part in the slave trade is well documented. ‘Istree la’ - you can’t just pick the bits you like and blame the rest on Chelsea fans ;-)

 

[trotsky]

Here’s a bit of Istree if it helps
‘Politically, Lancashire was already split. The shipping and finance bosses in Liverpool had openly sided with the Confederacy, and organised both warships for the South and blockade running merchant ships out of Merseyside...
... At a mass meeting in Manchester's Free Trade Hall, on New Year's Eve 1862, attended by a mixture of cotton workers, and the Manchester middle class, they passed a motion urging Lincoln to prosecute the war, abolish slavery and supporting the blockade - despite the fact that it was by now causing them to starve. The meeting convened despite an editorial in the Manchester Guardian advising people not to attend....
and as thanks, the President wrote
"I cannot but regard your decisive utterances on the question as an instance of sublime Christian heroism which has not been surpassed in any age or in any country.

"It is indeed an energetic and re-inspiring assurance of the inherent truth and of the ultimate and universal triumph of justice, humanity and freedom… Whatever misfortune may befall your country or my own, the peace and friendship which now exists between the two nations will be, as it shall be my desire to make them, perpetual." ’
Manchester ruining racism since 1862.

 

[Vienna_70]

Liverpool has been a place of pilgrimage for confederate symphathisers for years, apparently:

 

[trotsky]

Liverpool has been a place of pilgrimage for confederate symphathisers for years, apparently:

Wow, I knew the history but in recent times to officially welcome these people and allow plaques to be put up is just wrong. Talk about offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

 

[deegee33]

Liverpool has been a place of pilgrimage for confederate symphathisers for years, apparently:

Thanks for that Vienna, never saw that perspective before.

 

[Toffeedude]

Liverpool has been a place of pilgrimage for confederate symphathisers for years, apparently:

Good guy is Laurence, I know him well. He does a lot of slavery linked tours around the city. That grave and the plaque, like many locals, I had never heard of them until doing a tour witgh Laurence. Great to have things brought into the open and people educated about what went on.

Those attending the grave ceremony looked like they had fancy dress outfits on ha ha, or full kit kopites.

 

[Toffeedude]

I think you need to look up the letter President Lincoln wrote to the people of Manchester for their part in bringing an end to the slave trade. ‘Manchester’ is one of the most common place names across the States for that reason.
it may all be in the past, but Liverpool’s part in the slave trade is well documented. ‘Istree la’ - you can’t just pick the bits you like and blame the rest on Chelsea fans ;-)

I have read about Manchester's part in opposition to the slave trade, and very commendable it is. While most people opposed it, a few still made their wealth from it through cotton and textiles. In Liverpool, a few become very wealthy from it, not the common Joe Bloggs. Same as it is today, the elite rule. Nobody today should be blamed, but remembrance is everything. I like the idea we have here are putting plaques up on streets, statues and buildings linked to slavery to inform people of the origin. People will learn more through this.

Maybe this is a topic to discuss on another thread, definately one that needs to be kept being spoken about. A truly awful event in history that we must ensure is never forgotten.

There is a Manchester in Boston, close to where Aerosmith came from... respect (had too, big fan)

Back to the 'Look At Us! Greatest Team Ever! Brigade'

 

[nijinsky69]

Liverpool has been a place of pilgrimage for confederate symphathisers for years, apparently:

Wow. Genuinely shocked by that.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I have read about Manchester's part in opposition to the slave trade, and very commendable it is. While most people opposed it, a few still made their wealth from it through cotton and textiles. In Liverpool, a few become very wealthy from it, not the common Joe Bloggs. Same as it is today, the elite rule. Nobody today should be blamed, but remembrance is everything. I like the idea we have here are putting plaques up on streets, statues and buildings linked to slavery to inform people of the origin. People will learn more through this.

Maybe this is a topic to discuss on another thread, definately one that needs to be kept being spoken about. A truly awful event in history that we must ensure is never forgotten.

There is a Manchester in Boston, close to where Aerosmith came from... respect (had too, big fan)

Back to the 'Look At Us! Greatest Team Ever! Brigade'

fancy having a loan deal next season, you can have Pep for the Carabao Cup if we can have Carlo for the CL?

 

[Toffeedude]

fancy having a loan deal next season, you can have Pep for the Carabao Cup if we can have Carlo for the CL?

Deffo mate

I would settle for that now

 

[KS55]

I think you need to look up the letter President Lincoln wrote to the people of Manchester for their part in bringing an end to the slave trade. ‘Manchester’ is one of the most common place names across the States for that reason.
it may all be in the past, but Liverpool’s part in the slave trade is well documented. ‘Istree la’ - you can’t just pick the bits you like and blame the rest on Chelsea fans ;-)

When the US Civil War ended, the states embarked rather belatedly on their industrial revolution. Large amounts of capital were needed and Manchester, being probably the world's richest industrial city, was an obvious place to raise it. Naming your new city Manchester or Birmingham was a little PR ploy. Ironically, much of this capital was 'confiscated' by the US to pay our debt to them after WW1. I say confiscated because the shares in British hands were bought by the US treasury at one third of their market value and awarded to US companies.

 

[KS55]

Good guy is Laurence, I know him well. He does a lot of slavery linked tours around the city. That grave and the plaque, like many locals, I had never heard of them until doing a tour witgh Laurence. Great to have things brought into the open and people educated about what went on.

Those attending the grave ceremony looked like they had fancy dress outfits on ha ha, or full kit kopites.

I am amazed by this. Completely new to me. And they are still celebrating? Only in scouseland.

 

[Toffeedude]

I am amazed by this. Completely new to me. And they are still celebrating? Only in scouseland.

A few idiots are celebrating.

 

[WARBABY]

Not tarring liverpool supporters with the same brush but their anthem YNWA was about a bloke who was killed while carring out a botched robbery.