Lionel Messi | Joins Inter Miami (pg4111)

[BimboBob]

When Tolmie knows, Tolmie knows. When Tolmie knows, we might know. When we might know, we don't know. What we do know, we know. And what we don't know, we don't.

Tolmie will know at the exact moment we know.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

At least you've worked that one out, where in Spain are you again ?

Thats like a good fast bowler sending down a couple of quick bouncer's, just before the inswinging yorker.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It really all boils down to that release clause amount.

If they can get FIFA to sign off on it not existing then they will be OK.

That's what happened with our underage signings CAS arbitration - we asked the FA and FIFA to agree with our opinion on the laws. They agreed and then couldn't touch us when it later went to CAS.

@tolmie's hairdoo said Messi's people had opened legal proceedings with FIFA. If what they are trying is to get a legal opinion from FIFA agreeing with their interpretation of the release clause then its a no brained, we sign him and settle for <75m later.

Could be even better than that as they'll agree a cash fee, say £70m tops. So we put that through the books at £14m per annum. Then we sell Garcia to them for £25m. So effectively we get Messi for £45m and show a profit of £25m on the sale of Garcia, which covers nearly two years of his fee.

 

[Marvin]

It would go to the FIFA Dispute Resolution Chamber because it involves an international transfer

Well you maybe right but this states otherwise: Sport.es
FIFA release transfer certificate and can issue guidance but ultimately authority lies with the Spanish courts, and presumably CAS could hear an appeal.

 

[Fordyboy46]

Just call the whole saga off and get some other players in who we need.

 

[citytill1die84]

Just call the whole saga off and get some other players in who we need.

Why because it's not happened in a week?

 

[kaz7]

Sure La Liga certainly on the side of Barcelona because they realize how terrible it would be for Messi to leave.

As a Barcelona fan, I don’t think he will ever play for Barcelona again. But all of the news we follow in Spain that includes members of press who have direct line with his camp, is that Messi is very tense and very concerned because he assumed that he would have an overwhelming amount of support that would crush Bartomeu into a resignation and at that point he would have to negotiate with execs that would take over temporarily. Those folks would likely make a sensible business agreement and it would be very simple.

None of this has happened and now his camp have realized that they don’t have enough leverage with the clause in his contract and they are starting to get anxious. This his fathers overnight trip in private jet.

If indeed he was free or the felt they had a compelling case, they would not even have to sit down and attempt to negotiate.

Barcelona will not budge without a considerable amount of money and or players of significance. I’m not certain who’s it will end but it will not end in court because Man City have already made it clear that they can’t take the risk of signing him.

I see Barcelona taking a couple of good players and cash, or it doesn’t get done.

Barcelona already had a financial plannin place to make the numbers work prior to the Messi news. 100 million for Messi isn’t going to convince them because they will likely make that money with him in the stands on merchandising and sponsorships.

We shall see

You live in spain ?

 

[cleavers]

Just call the whole saga off and get some other players in who we need.

Just give it a rest now.

 

[PhdWave]

Could be even better than that as they'll agree a cash fee, say £70m tops. So we put that through the books at £14m per annum. Then we sell Garcia to them for £25m. So effectively we get Messi for £45m and show a profit of £25m on the sale of Garcia, which covers nearly two years of his fee.

Playing the devils advocate here, if this was the case then Barto surely would have already come for a compromise today with his father and asked us about say 100m or something...so why is he still so adamant...

 

[cleavers]

You live in spain ?

He's already said he doesn't.

 

[Withnail]

Just call the whole saga off and get some other players in who we need.

So you don't want Messi?

 

[Fordyboy46]

Why because it's not happened in a week?

No ,because it's never likely to happen. Just too many hurdles and obstacles to cross when trying to sign a player of this quality.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

Just call the whole saga off and get some other players in who we need.

Gone are the days we only had one fax machine(and that was leased at a very affordable rate from P Swales I should add), now we have two.....

 

[Carlos- the- jackal]

Just call the whole saga off and get some other players in who we need.

Hasn’t your shift at The Samaritans started yet?

 

[Kirkiep]

As Socrates used to say “Εν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα“

Mind your language .Haha!

 

[not my fault!]

I don’t think those flapping are looking at this logically to be honest.

Bartomeu is liable for 25% of the clubs debt should he leave his position, with an election coming up and him likely to be ousted, he’s currently shitting bricks. He’s like a rabbit caught in the headlights having realised his cunning plan of cashing in on his prize assets has gone down the pan. Barça have clearly fucked up and are now backtracking faster than the Italians in a war. They have realised that Messi can indeed walk and have gone from the stance of the contracts wrong to now it being about employment law. They are straw clutching and now in a classic defensive mode hence all the bollocks they are spouting via their social media contacts or mouthpieces. In my opinion of course.

So what options are left for them? For Bartomeu? To be honest very little. He now needs some sort of reverse of fortune, he knows Messi can leave and he knows he’s up shit creek without a paddle. It’s now about saving face and himself a prison sentence if he can’t repay the 25% on his inevitable departure. Yes Messi can leave and it can go to court but does that do anyone any good? Barça look even bigger cunts and are toppled by MCFC, something they’ll not want to see, City look bad for taking the piss as it’ll be reported and Messi will look petulant and ruin his reputation.

But it’s Messi’s reputation we are trying to tap in to, it’s what we are relying on to recoup our money and increase our sponsorship worth, dragging it through a court does nobody any favours long term. We are hated enough without adding to it. The courts will take years and we will end up paying something, it makes more sense to agree now what that‘ll be and get it done as soon as is possible.

It’ll not be us paying though, if reports are correct by our resident ITK’s then Messi will take a reduced wage but receive a share in the CFG to cash in at a later date. I’m sure the agreement will be it’s a set amount but any fee Messi has to pay will be reduced from his share. That may not mean much to us but the shares he’ll receive will be based on a set expected growth, the more he gets now allocated to him, the wealthier he’ll be down the line! It’s a no brainier from our point of view or his. So as much as people say “he’s free to leave” yes he probably is but Barça will not go down without a fight, or more accurately Bartomeu won’t as he’s fucked either way this plays out. It’s not about the great club Barcelona, it’s about a greedy president trying to save his own arse, literally. Don’t forget Messi believes he can leave for free too so that’s still to play out yet and I do t see him making this move without cast iron proof that’s the case. The lawyers represent8ng him wrote the damn thing. Also the leaked contract states “end of season” with no dates but look at it logically again.. It can’t state a date as 4 years ago nobody had an idea when seasons would start/finish as they vary each year. You can’t believe that when this was signed they knew 100% that this season was going to end June the 10th or whatever the date being pushed is, add in FIFA’s amendments and I think it’s pretty clear myself.

How I see this panning out is Messi will buy out his contract for an ‘undisclosed fee’ and sign for City on a free. We’ll then pay something like a £300k wage with a healthy bonus structure in line with the others. He’ll not receive a signing on fee or if he does it’ll be worth not much in reality. He’ll then be gifted shares in the group valued at say £150m, the longer he stays the more those shares mature. He’ll do 3 at City then the 2 reported at NYCFC. By the 5 years his shares could be worth double as a minimum! He’ll then cash them in and walk away a very happy man. Nothing Barça can offer will compete, this is why they’ll (Messi’s camp) try to resolve this quickly and smoothly and get the send off he deserves. The only way this doesn’t go our way is if Messi does indeed bottle it or his love of the club outweighs anything else including a huge pay day but I suspect not.

In the mean time if the ‘Messi tax’ we allegedly insert in to every sponsor deal is in fact real, then we will already be into our sponsors upping their input to the club. Let’s say Etihad continue as stadium/campus sponsor only but up their agreement by £10m, Puma up theirs a similar price say £8m, Nissan another £5m increase let’s say, Etislat £5m and then the other 38 sponsors up theirs around £2m... All per annum by the way, that’d be an annual increase of £104m in sponsorship. But we’d need a shirt sponsor so add another £30m a year as a conservative estimate and we can potentially increase revenue by £134m per annum before any other endorsement deals or shirt sales. This is why we want this resolved quickly and why £85m is worth paying if needed.

Over the 5 year reported contract term, the minimum we could expect based on the above would be around £670,000,000 let that sink in!!! That’s just off signing 1 player in his 30’s.
In other words, stop flapping, if this comes off the numbers stack up and I’m being conservative I think in my numbers.

 

[pudge]

Just call the whole saga off and get some other players in who we need.

Saga? It's been less than two weeks.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

No ,because it's never likely to happen. Just too many hurdles and obstacles to cross when trying to sign a player of this quality.

There's one obstacle.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

If it happens, great.

If it doesn't, so what?

We've not lost anything.

 

[oddfellows]

.so why is he still so adamant...

Stand and deliver, your money or your....