#8 | Ilkay Gündoğan - 2020/21 Performances

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Dage said:
So, if City plays great, it's because of others than Gündogan. Does City play bad it's because of Gündogan. Have I summarized what you actually said? Sounds biased to me.
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No it's not biased, any one who watches city games should be able to see that gundogun is very different from the rest of the team. No matter how city pays, gundogun is always slow, backwards and sideways looking, afraid to shoot, cannot find a decent forward pass etc. Sure we win a lot of games even when he's playing, but when things get tight or when we play strong teams you need all 11 players to pull their weight. And gundogun rarely, if ever, does.
 
catalyst said:
Lads shouting get Thiago when Gündogan can do all and more. He fits certain systems better, not as prolific neither could he replace David Silva. Check his assist numbers over the seasons as well, he's been in immense form and controls the game excellent but give Gündogan the same role and he could do it as well, instead he's sat deep rotating 360 while holding Rodri's hand.
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You're saying that Gundogan is better than Thiago?

I've always thought Gundogan's supporters are delusional, but this may just take the cake.
 
thesting said:
No it's not biased, any one who watches city games should be able to see that gundogun is very different from the rest of the team. No matter how city pays, gundogun is always slow, backwards and sideways looking, afraid to shoot, cannot find a decent forward pass etc. Sure we win a lot of games even when he's playing, but when things get tight or when we play strong teams you need all 11 players to pull their weight. And gundogun rarely, if ever, does.
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Study the careeer of John McGovern. His playing style.and medals..
 
ws01 said:
You're saying that Gundogan is better than Thiago?

I've always thought Gundogan's supporters are delusional, but this may just take the cake.
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He is not better, he can just do it all under Pep. Difference.

What are "Gündogan supporters" lol pose an argument instead.
 
thesting said:
No it's not biased, any one who watches city games should be able to see that gundogun is very different from the rest of the team. No matter how city pays, gundogun is always slow, backwards and sideways looking, afraid to shoot, cannot find a decent forward pass etc. Sure we win a lot of games even when he's playing, but when things get tight or when we play strong teams you need all 11 players to pull their weight. And gundogun rarely, if ever, does.
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This really is the epitome of bias. Let's get some facts straight. He starts for both club and country and just renewed his contract. So apart from your biased perception the boards of both teams are very happy with his performance. He does probably exactly the things he gets told by his managers. Your ability to see his value for the team and it's play is not part of the decision making process of his managers.

That led us straight to two possible explanations.
=> Pep, Jogi and their board members involved have no clue whatsoever they do
=> You are wrong, may it due to bias or incompetence to see what Gündogan brings to the table

Guess what a fact-based, rational mind what chose?
 
penalty spot said:
Played very well for Germany in their last two games
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I didn’t watch the Switzerland game but are you sure you watched the spain game. Thiago was running rings around gundogun, I’m not looking forward to the dipper games next season with gundogun playing
 
Dage said:
This really is the epitome of bias. Let's get some facts straight. He starts for both club and country and just renewed his contract. So apart from your biased perception the boards of both teams are very happy with his performance. He does probably exactly the things he gets told by his managers. Your ability to see his value for the team and it's play is not part of the decision making process of his managers.

That led us straight to two possible explanations.
=> Pep, Jogi and their board members involved have no clue whatsoever they do
=> You are wrong, may it due to bias or incompetence to see what Gündogan brings to the table

Guess what a fact-based, rational mind what chose?
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The emperor has no clothes.

I can see what every single player brings to city but I’m afraid I can’t see what gundogun brings. Every time he plays and especially paired with Rodri , I’ve backed the other team to win and more often than not I’ve been proved right
 
onceabluealways said:
Every time we have played Gundo and Rodri togetheragainst reasonable opposition I've backed the opposition, and usually win. Gundo as an attacking midfielder is a waste of space especially when we have much better options
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So your blaming Gundogan for Pep selecting Rodri alongside him , are you for real ? The problem is Pep's decision and nothing to do with Gundogans ability , perhaps you should take your crtitcism to the Pep thread , he picks the f*cking team.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Every manager has their teacher’s pet, that one player they trust implicitly and select repeatedly, even when everyone and everything else suggests they don't deserve to be. As long as Pep is here then Gundogan will be here.
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Study the career of John McGovern. Nottingham Forest Fc.
You .are probably .too busy to do that .
But thats my advice.If you want to learn about Football pal.
 
Waste of space and he has held back Foden more than anyone..I picked up on Sane not being a PEP player long ago..Just gives the ball away too much and doesnt track back etc..But watch Gundogan...We can be in fantastic form and then give the ball away regularly ....And yes its Gundogan..pep sees experience and overlooks his faults..Get rid I say..Who would want him instead of Phil in the team Or Fern or Bernado???
 
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