Liverpool thread 2020/21

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Absolutely unbelievable that you are seriously arguing that the ban after Heysel did not seriously impact Everton.
That's just it though, it isn't unbelievable. It's 100% par for the course with that lying, delusional excuse of a football club.

That Peccary fellow made the comment about eight of their fans being killed, to me that would warrant a lifetime ban from this forum, but that's down to the moderators, nothing I can do about it, so I just put him under 'ignore' and I never want to discuss anything with the man again. He can whinge and moan all he likes about 'holding his hands up' and accepting he was out of order for making the comment, but that was such a crass and ill-informed remark that it can never be forgotten.
But that is the mentality of the club: the staff, ex-players, supporters, you name it - all desperately seeking charity, financial or emotional. Not an ounce of empathy or kindness for anybody, but so quick to demand it from others.

There is a reason why that grotesque club exists, and that is that we learn from our mistakes.
 
What's interesting is that they look to be adding depth. I say interesting, because over the last 2 seasons their primary strength in the league and CL has been the fact that they have been able to play roughly the same team over and over again and maintain momentum somewhat with the XI they start with. It's always been the case that the backups have been distinctly worse than the starters so there's never been any reason for those 2nd stringers to kick up a fuss.

Now they have decent players as back up. What happens? Do they rotate for the sake of keeping the second choice players occupied and match ready, and risk losing momentum? Or do they just ignore them and restrict them to sub appearances and the early cup exits and hope that they keep on winning elsewhere all the time that they don't complain?
 
Signing Jota from Wolves, they are really strengthening their squad. We will be hard pressed to match them this season.

He is hardly one of Wolves' key players. A cheaper option than Adama Traore
 
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You're so wrong on every level and continue to cherry pick points that suit your narrative and air brush out the ones that don't.
Liverpool signed Beardsley for a British record fee and Barnes and Houghton were hardly bargain basement signings and all on big wages so hardly the actions a club struggling to balance the books is it?
As I've already pointed out and you have failed to address, Everton were only just getting started and I was also around at the time so yes, they were denied an opportunity to win the European cup and as a result, the opportunities that brings had they done so.
Equally if the ban was 10 years earlier, there would have been none of these mythical "nights under the lights" either or the opportunities European success allowed to cement this position.
Kendall left in 87 because he couldn't go any further and a big part of that was bring able to compete in Europe and it turned to shit.
I remember Dalglish walking out on your lot in 91 and it turned to shit pretty quickly for your lot too if I remember rightly.

I haven’t cherry picked anything. I’ve given you a link that documents the Rush to Juve transfer which corroborates my story. Kendall leaving had nothing to do with it either. You obviously know that he nearly became the Barca manager at the time but it ended up with Venables staying. That’s the long and short of it; he was probably the most in demand manager in Europe at the time. All your points about a European ban are all straw man arguments, what ifs and I thinks all over the place. A ban ten years earlier, why not 20 year or 30 years? The fact is that English firms running amok on the Continent was brought to a head by Heysel and the main culprits from this country were banned longer than anyone else. The way you go on, you think Everton were saints in Europe. If you were around then, you’ll know they weren’t, not by a long chalk.
But to bring the departure of Dalglish into this when that had nothing at all to do with football is a cheap shot. Anyone with half a brain knows he quit on medical grounds. I’m happy to keep chatting but let’s stay on point.
 
Absolutely unbelievable that you are seriously arguing that the ban after Heysel did not seriously impact Everton.

Read the article at the link below and get some understanding of the utter scum who followed Liverpool in those days.

https://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/3228

The current generation of Liverpool fans are just as bad. How Liverpool get such positive coverage in the media is one of the greatest mysteries of our age.

It impacted them as much as it did anybody else. They won the fucking league the season after or does that not count in the impacting?
 
Some creative accounting going on there from the BBC. Jota cost £41m, with Hoever going the other way for £9m. That's a net outlay of £32m by my reckoning, not £30m.

A bit like the inevitable but uncorrected reporting that City paid £60 million for Cancelo when City's nett spend on signing him was £27 million with Danilo valued at £33 million going the other way in the same deal.
 
We should have paid the rent

Plus the extra interest charges Houlding tried to stitch you up with relating to loans he'd made to Everton. Then he tried to get Everton to become a publicly listed company which would have greatly increased the value of his land and that of his mate at and around Goodison and enabled him and his mate to buy in and effectively take full control of the club.
 
Ah, you’re a bit late to this party, it was resolved a while back if you can be arsed to search the posts.
And the VHS shout is a weird one. We’ve got stacks of VHS, DVD and Blu Ray coverage yet I wouldn’t say the same stacks up your side. No worries though, it’s a lovely day so enjoy your weekend.

Don't bother searching, it was BS plain and simple.

There's the truth and the Dippers version of events or to paraphrase, lies.
 
I haven’t cherry picked anything. I’ve given you a link that documents the Rush to Juve transfer which corroborates my story. Kendall leaving had nothing to do with it either. You obviously know that he nearly became the Barca manager at the time but it ended up with Venables staying. That’s the long and short of it; he was probably the most in demand manager in Europe at the time. All your points about a European ban are all straw man arguments, what ifs and I thinks all over the place. A ban ten years earlier, why not 20 year or 30 years? The fact is that English firms running amok on the Continent was brought to a head by Heysel and the main culprits from this country were banned longer than anyone else. The way you go on, you think Everton were saints in Europe. If you were around then, you’ll know they weren’t, not by a long chalk.
But to bring the departure of Dalglish into this when that had nothing at all to do with football is a cheap shot. Anyone with half a brain knows he quit on medical grounds. I’m happy to keep chatting but let’s stay on point.
You have cherry picked and as per usual you close your argument by playing the victim card to confirm this.
You were spouting shit about Liverpool being broke yet they broke the British transfer record on Peter Beardsley and then again to resign Ian Rush.
Clubs that are broke do not break transfer records in successive seasons and to say otherwise is sheer delusion.
Some things never change though as Bingo seems to think his squad cost buttons and said he would walk away from football rather than break records before breaking the world record for a goalkeeper and defender and having 3 of the 10 current most expensive signings in British football in his squad.
As I have said numerous times, we will never know for sure about Everton so to class this as a straw man argument is yet more bollocks on your part to add to your endless list of bullshit that you have been called out on time and time again.
To say Everton were not affected by the behaviour of your feral, scum followers is bullshit of the highest magnitude.
The point about Dalglish stands, he left at a time the club didn't plan for it.
Before his arrival, his predecessors had retired and you had a succession plan in place, when Dalglish left you ended up in the shit and it took 1.5 billion pounds and 21 managers to win another title.
Similarly Kendall left Everton before they would have wanted and he was denied the opportunity to try to fulfil everything he wanted to and this was due to your followers vile behaviour.
Your roll of shame is well documented. I have travelled far and wide and spoken to fans of other clubs and i can confirm that your lot are consistently at the top or near the top of the list of the most hated fanbases because of you appalling behaviour and sense of self entitlement.
You have confirmed to me that you're a shit spouting Dipper who back tracks when called out and plays the victim card at every opportunity and a significant number of other posters on here share the same opinion of you but of course no matter what anyone points out to you it's never your fault.
Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing.
 
its going to be a crazy season for me and the premier league will be a hard title to win this season
when you look at the top 6 teams and add everton and arsenal and maybe take out leicester, then you start to get a bigger picture that's its going to be wide open this season

ok city and liverpool will still be the bench mark ? but all of them away games vs the top 6 and everton will be blood hard games, i think everybody will beat each other in the top 6 home games so away points are what going to win the league for somebody

so looking at what i feel the league will be like maybe 85 to 88 will be enough this season for the title
manchester city can get that range of points with what we have in our squad but its depends on keeping the starting 11 fit for most of the season ? much like liverpool last season the starting 11 picked itself in most games
 
I don't thinks it "wrong uns" as such. Kids call it footy, they call their parents mummy and daddy also. It's something that changes as you get older and you gain maturity and a certain level of intelligence. Clearly that doesn't happen to everyone.

Thank goodness you’re above all that here with stuff like dippers, rags, LiVARpool etc.
You have cherry picked and as per usual you close your argument by playing the victim card to confirm this.
You were spouting shit about Liverpool being broke yet they broke the British transfer record on Peter Beardsley and then again to resign Ian Rush.
Clubs that are broke do not break transfer records in successive seasons and to say otherwise is sheer delusion.
Some things never change though as Bingo seems to think his squad cost buttons and said he would walk away from football rather than break records before breaking the world record for a goalkeeper and defender and having 3 of the 10 current most expensive signings in British football in his squad.
As I have said numerous times, we will never know for sure about Everton so to class this as a straw man argument is yet more bollocks on your part to add to your endless list of bullshit that you have been called out on time and time again.
To say Everton were not affected by the behaviour of your feral, scum followers is bullshit of the highest magnitude.
The point about Dalglish stands, he left at a time the club didn't plan for it.
Before his arrival, his predecessors had retired and you had a succession plan in place, when Dalglish left you ended up in the shit and it took 1.5 billion pounds and 21 managers to win another title.
Similarly Kendall left Everton before they would have wanted and he was denied the opportunity to try to fulfil everything he wanted to and this was due to your followers vile behaviour.
Your roll of shame is well documented. I have travelled far and wide and spoken to fans of other clubs and i can confirm that your lot are consistently at the top or near the top of the list of the most hated fanbases because of you appalling behaviour and sense of self entitlement.
You have confirmed to me that you're a shit spouting Dipper who back tracks when called out and plays the victim card at every opportunity and a significant number of other posters on here share the same opinion of you but of course no matter what anyone points out to you it's never your fault.
Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing.

I think we’re going round in circles and I’ve certainly no inclination to get involved in silly name calling, that never ends well.
All I’ll say here is what I said to one of the posters above - if Heysel affected Everton aand their staff so much, how come they won the league the following season? Not far off a double either. Does that not count towards the impact?
Let’s just leave it here, we’re not going to agree. Have a good weekend.
 
its going to be a crazy season for me and the premier league will be a hard title to win this season
when you look at the top 6 teams and add everton and arsenal and maybe take out leicester, then you start to get a bigger picture that's its going to be wide open this season

ok city and liverpool will still be the bench mark ? but all of them away games vs the top 6 and everton will be blood hard games, i think everybody will beat each other in the top 6 home games so away points are what going to win the league for somebody

so looking at what i feel the league will be like maybe 85 to 88 will be enough this season for the title
manchester city can get that range of points with what we have in our squad but its depends on keeping the starting 11 fit for most of the season ? much like liverpool last season the starting 11 picked itself in most games

Good post, that.
Said on here the other day that I’d be surprised if the winners get over 90 points this year. It’ll be between us and you though all the way, not even Chelsea with their mega splurge will claw that much back that quickly. Plus the likes of Lampard, Solskjaer and Arteta are expected to deliver now, their honeymoon period is over. That’s a lot of pressure on them.
 
Your roll of shame is well documented. I have travelled far and wide and spoken to fans of other clubs and i can confirm that your lot are consistently at the top or near the top of the list of the most hated fanbases because of you appalling behaviour and sense of self entitlement.

Near the top? I can't think of anyone who comes anywhere near. Not even The Swamp Donkeys!
 
Thank goodness you’re above all that here with stuff like dippers, rags, LiVARpool etc.


I think we’re going round in circles and I’ve certainly no inclination to get involved in silly name calling, that never ends well.
All I’ll say here is what I said to one of the posters above - if Heysel affected Everton aand their staff so much, how come they won the league the following season? Not far off a double either. Does that not count towards the impact?
Let’s just leave it here, we’re not going to agree. Have a good weekend.
Don't try cherry picking and back tracking again, you've been well and truly found out as a bull shitter time and time again.
I've called you out on the impact of the European ban on Everton and you're in the minority of one in here with your ridiculous comments.
After calling you out for playing the victim card, you're back to your usual lets just leave it there lar bollocks.
Perhaps I should put you on ignore.
It makes more sense than trying to engage in an intelligent conversation with you as it's something you clearly lack.
 
That's just it though, it isn't unbelievable. It's 100% par for the course with that lying, delusional excuse of a football club.

That Peccary fellow made the comment about eight of their fans being killed, to me that would warrant a lifetime ban from this forum, but that's down to the moderators, nothing I can do about it, so I just put him under 'ignore' and I never want to discuss anything with the man again. He can whinge and moan all he likes about 'holding his hands up' and accepting he was out of order for making the comment, but that was such a crass and ill-informed remark that it can never be forgotten.
But that is the mentality of the club: the staff, ex-players, supporters, you name it - all desperately seeking charity, financial or emotional. Not an ebabgounce of empathy or kindness for anybody, but so quick to demand it from others.

There is a reason why that grotesque club exists, and that is that we learn from our mistakes.
Ignoring him gives a feeling of satisfaction but unfortunately when people get into detailed discussion his comments are brought out indirectlyfor him.
 
Good post, that.
Said on here the other day that I’d be surprised if the winners get over 90 points this year. It’ll be between us and you though all the way, not even Chelsea with their mega splurge will claw that much back that quickly. Plus the likes of Lampard, Solskjaer and Arteta are expected to deliver now, their honeymoon period is over. That’s a lot of pressure on them.

yep 6 or 7 teams taking points of each other will open the league this season
 
You have cherry picked and as per usual you close your argument by playing the victim card to confirm this.
You were spouting shit about Liverpool being broke yet they broke the British transfer record on Peter Beardsley and then again to resign Ian Rush.
Clubs that are broke do not break transfer records in successive seasons and to say otherwise is sheer delusion.
Some things never change though as Bingo seems to think his squad cost buttons and said he would walk away from football rather than break records before breaking the world record for a goalkeeper and defender and having 3 of the 10 current most expensive signings in British football in his squad.
As I have said numerous times, we will never know for sure about Everton so to class this as a straw man argument is yet more bollocks on your part to add to your endless list of bullshit that you have been called out on time and time again.
To say Everton were not affected by the behaviour of your feral, scum followers is bullshit of the highest magnitude.
The point about Dalglish stands, he left at a time the club didn't plan for it.
Before his arrival, his predecessors had retired and you had a succession plan in place, when Dalglish left you ended up in the shit and it took 1.5 billion pounds and 21 managers to win another title.
Similarly Kendall left Everton before they would have wanted and he was denied the opportunity to try to fulfil everything he wanted to and this was due to your followers vile behaviour.
Your roll of shame is well documented. I have travelled far and wide and spoken to fans of other clubs and i can confirm that your lot are consistently at the top or near the top of the list of the most hated fanbases because of you appalling behaviour and sense of self entitlement.
You have confirmed to me that you're a shit spouting Dipper who back tracks when called out and plays the victim card at every opportunity and a significant number of other posters on here share the same opinion of you but of course no matter what anyone points out to you it's never your fault.
Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Degenerate scouse scum. well said mate.
 
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