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Here are some questions that I have been thinking about as I sit on the bus with my face mask on.

1. Where is this lockdown that I keep reading about. Yesterday I was in the pub and today I’m walking on Ilkley Moor (all socially distanced).

2 Why did nobody compare the UK with Sweden before Covid.

3. Why do people who compare the UK to Sweden object to any praise New Zealanders’ receive for their handling of the pandemic.

4.When did people start valuing over 60s less than the rest of the population.

5. Why do schools with a couple of cases seem to send the year home? I can understand a school closing for a big outbreak.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Here are some questions that I have been thinking about as I sit on the bus with my face mask on.

1. Where is this lockdown that I keep reading about. Yesterday I was in the pub and today I’m walking on Ilkley Moor (all socially distanced).

2 Why did nobody compare the UK with Sweden before Covid.

3. Why do people who compare the UK to Sweden object to any praise New Zealanders’ receive for their handling of the pandemic.

4.When did people start valuing over 60s less than the rest of the population.

5. Why do schools with a couple of cases seem to send the year home? I can understand a school closing for a big outbreak.
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I noticed the other day you said New Zealand was an example of how to deal with a pandemic. What did they do different to us? I thought they locked down in the same way but as they are not as densely populated and don't have as much travel etc it was easier to contain? It obviously worked well for them so far.

Sweden's approach has also worked for them by the looks of things and the experts are saying the epidemic is likely to be over for them. They said all along its about the longer game and not what happens in the next 6 months, but what happens in the next 2 years. A Danish expert said as much yesterday here https://www.thelocal.dk/20200919/swedens-pandemic-may-be-finished-danish-researcher

Why did nobody compare Sweden to the UK before covid, why would anyone have done unless we played them at football or something and people compared population numbers. Why did we not compare ourselves to any nation before covid?
 
True_Blue69 said:
I noticed the other day you said New Zealand was an example of how to deal with a pandemic. What did they do different to us?
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New Zealand more or less sealed themselves off from the world by closing their borders to most non-NZ citizens for months. We were allowing visitors or returning Brits in from known covid hotspots for weeks with no monitored quarantining.
 
Herd mentally sounds great to a degree on paper but, bear in mind people catch flu at the most once a year....the following year everyone starts from scratch and can catch it again, we still don't know if Covid has just one hit at us.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
younger people have been through lockdown long enough and now they simply don’t care - they want to go out and enjoy themselves. It’s the harsh reality.
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Selfish, inconsiderate fuckers is the harsh reality.

When you think of the sacrifices our grandparents went through in WW2, and these wankers can't even stay home a bit, and stand 2m apart in a pub. Utter cunts the lot of them.
 
True_Blue69 said:
I noticed the other day you said New Zealand was an example of how to deal with a pandemic. What did they do different to us? I thought they locked down in the same way but as they are not as densely populated and don't have as much travel etc it was easier to contain? It obviously worked well for them so far.

Sweden's approach has also worked for them by the looks of things and the experts are saying the epidemic is likely to be over for them. They said all along its about the longer game and not what happens in the next 6 months, but what happens in the next 2 years. A Danish expert said as much yesterday here https://www.thelocal.dk/20200919/swedens-pandemic-may-be-finished-danish-researcher

Why did nobody compare Sweden to the UK before covid, why would anyone have done unless we played them at football or something and people compared population numbers. Why did we not compare ourselves to any nation before covid?
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We’ve (or at least our media and politicians) have compared ourselves with Germany (and West Germany) before that for as long as I can remember (re. the economy, sport etc). There have also been a lot of comparisons with France over the decades too so a comparison with Sweden wouldn’t be unrealistic if there were sound comparisons to be made. Btw: Outside Stockholm Swedes tend to have lots of space relative to their population too.

I am glad New Zealand’s approach has been working and it’s the long game like you said. I am also glad that the outlook in Sweden (whose track record on Covid had been depressing compared to it’s neighbours) is looking more hopeful too.
 
www.thetimes.co.uk

Rugby stars dodge testing chaos thanks to Randox lab that misses targets for public

The UK’s biggest Covid-19 testing laboratory is prioritising Premiership Rugby players and travellers to Dubai while failing to meet government targets for the
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What is the point in forking out money for these companies if they fail to meet their obligations? Wouldn’t surprise me if this was also happening in other professional sports.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
younger people have been through lockdown long enough and now they simply don’t care - they want to go out and enjoy themselves. It’s the harsh reality.
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And the harsher reality is they can do it but they have to grow up and show some responsibility by social distancing, for the greater good.
 
The young need to think about the long game a little bit, the longer this goes on/ worse it gets etc the longer it'll take any market recovery to happen....go out & party now and be paying for it for umpteen decades......us older fuckers will be long gone by then.
 
As I have said before New Zealand had the natural vaccine of isolation as a remote island that was a big plus. As was its lack of densely populated cities.

In the UK you get something of this effect - though we are far less remote than New Zealand it bought us a few weeks that you can debate if we used wisely back in February/March. The same now with France and Space like a crystal ball showing us in 2 weeks time. If we do not change something.

However, you see it in the data here too. The Isle of Man was able to do what New Zealand did and has had a good pandemic compared to the NW it is nominally part of. Because its independence allowed it to act swiftly and aggressively when one idiot imported it from here to there they did not spend six months deciding to fine £1000 instead of £100 or warning. They isolated him for the period needed in jail.

The SW - Devon/Cornwall etc - has had tiny numbers of cases and around 20 people in hospital pretty much throughout the Summer.

They did have a short few weeks of peak when numbers were in the hundreds but they are not seeing the big rises as yet because they have that advantage of natural isolation. 19 in hospital one on a ventilator today.

A holiday area like Torquay for instance has had 323 cases in the 7 months of the pandemic - as many as places like Manchester and Bolton have had in the last two or three days. Its pop score is 237 - under a third of GMs best place - Stockport - and about a sixth of the worst like Oldham. Exeter even has lower numbers than this despite being a city by SW standards.

Even a city like Plymouth has a pop score of 322 with less cases than half ofcases that most of GM gets per month.

So this is very much driven by areas where people are closely packed together.

Look on line at a satellite map of the UK at night taken from space. You see right away why the NW/West Yorkshire is the epicentre. The illuminated areas pretty much show you a map of the Covid distribution today. Likely the same for every country. And why some are hit harder than others or differently. Just look at how the US has grown more slowly and accumulated more highly because it has cities far more spread out than the UK because it just has so much more space that helps isolate communities but not protect them entirely. And it builds more slowly over longer periods.

Leicester in the UK has had a similar pandemic as I noted last night.

Hopefully someone is studying these patterns as they are keys to future protocols. But not all countries are equal in their ability to cope with this virus and the UK - as in effect one of the most densely packed islands on the planet - is arguably the one with the most perfect breeding ground.
 
Not suggesting we put Covid protocol breechers in prison btw. But it might be a good strategy to create something like TB isolation centres where those who break rules and get Covid are housed for the period of isolation to make sure they do isolate. Much as we did on the Wirral in nurses quarters back in February when the cruise ship passengers with the outbreak were flown home. Nobody thought that was a breech of civil liberties. It was common sense protection of society.

I think just the threat of that outcome would focus minds on doing the right thing just to avoid having to do that kind of isolationthat would disrupt their lives even further.

Right now there is no real downside if you do. Threatening a fine you may well not be ablr to afford to pay is pointless. So of course some will take the easy way out.
 
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England hospital data sadly continues the trend. Worst Sunday data in a while more than doubled again in 7 days.

12 deaths and six of them in the NW.

Last week it was 5 and 0 from the NW (as weekend death reporting in the NW is often low as I have mentioned before).
 
England hospital data reads:

19 Sep adds 1 = 1 after one day. That is the lowest previous day number in a week. Though Sunday and Monday reporting of weekend data can be lower.

18 Sep adds 6 = 8 after two days.

17 Sep adds 1 = 12 after three days.

16 Sep adds 1 = 15 after four days. This is the highest four day total since 15 July.

15 Sep adds 0 = 12 after five days.

So we now have for certain three back to back five day totals in double figures and with 8 the total at just two days that looks almost certain to continue into four days

Last time we had a three day run of five day totals of 10 or above was 8/9/10 July.

The other 3 deaths today date back to 8 Sep (adding 1 to = 11) and one day over the August Bank Holiday adding one to what were low numbers then. And one that goes all the way back to 30 Apriul so will probably be discounted later.
 
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Scotland data:

0 deaths happily.

245 cases at 5.4% That is the highest % of tests to be positive to date. It was 5.3% yesterday. And has risen day by say through the week.

63 in hospital (-1 yesterday).

9 in icu ventilator beds - same as yesterday.
 
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